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Global warming to cause ice age in 2030… or a flood
Hotair ^ | 07/12/2015 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 07/12/2015 7:02:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

No, not really. But the conflicting headlines I’m seeing this week might as well say that. Apparently we’re all still doomed, but our first item in recent climate news deals with a different phenomenon than the usual screeds which, rather than melting the ice caps and drowning all of the coastal cities, is going to bring on a new mini-ice starting in about fifteen years. Rather than carbon emissions or fracking, the culprit this time is the sun. (From the Daily Mail)

The Earth could be headed for a ‘mini ice age’ researchers have warned.

A new study claims to have cracked predicting solar cycles – and says that between 2020 and 2030 solar cycles will cancel each other out.

This, they say, will lead to a phenomenon known as the ‘Maunder minimum’ – which has previously been known as a mini ice age when it hit between 1646 and 1715, even causing London’s River Thames to freeze over.

The new model of the Sun’s solar cycle is producing unprecedentedly accurate predictions of irregularities within the Sun’s 11-year heartbeat.

Another “Maunder minimum” could certainly lead to our living to see interesting times. No matter how much I read about this subject though, I’ve never been entirely clear on the entire sunspot thing. The sun allegedly runs in some sort of eleven year cycle where sunspots peak in frequency and severity and then diminish for a time. It’s not the sunspots themselves which are causing havoc so much as they are indicators of generally increased solar activity and output. The more “busy” the sun is, the more we heat up. When it “goes to sleep” as described in the article, we cool down.

When the big minimum hit in the later 1600s mankind was fairly well crippled as growing seasons were disrupted and places froze which really shouldn’t have. If that happens again now I don’t suppose man will be much better equipped to deal with it and food supplies could become a problem quickly. But when I see predictions like these I’m always left with the same sorts of questions. First, if a rapid decrease in sunspot activity can cause such dramatic cooling, why is it that the recent higher levels of sunspots can’t possibly account for any warming we’ve seen?

Also, I’m willing to accept that we’ve got some excellent tools for monitoring the sun’s activities these days, particularly with satellites orbiting the star at various times and much better telescopes. But what about the older readings which are going into these calculations? Surely they were based on results from far more modest equipment. Let’s just say there could be room for healthy skepticism here. Also, the “experts” don’t all seem to have gotten the sunspot memo. In the same week that the ice age alert was going out, a different group of climate experts launched a slightly different headline.

Sea Levels Could Rise At Least 20 Feet

Even if world manages to limit global warming to 2°C — the target number for current climate negotiations — sea levels may still rise at least 6 meters (20 feet) above their current heights, radically reshaping the world’s coastline and affecting millions in the process.

That finding comes from a new paper published on Thursday in Science that shows how high sea levels rose the last time carbon dioxide levels were this high…

The study examined past changes and laid out a framework for using them to refine our understanding of what the future holds for coastal communities. According to separate research by Climate Central, a 20-foot sea level rise would reshape the U.S. coast, causing Louisiana to lose its boot and transforming the Bay Area into the Bays Area by forming a second inland bay. It would also threaten the world’s coastal nations and megacities.

If the planet starts freezing over in fifteen years and I’m still somehow kicking around for some reason, I’ll be happy to apologize for being a doubting Thomas. Conversely, if the oceans swallow up the coastal cities I’ll similarly issue a mea culpa, even though my new beachfront property 100 miles inland will doubtless go way up in value. But we’ve been given all sorts of remarkable predictions about global weather patterns and effects over the course of my life and I’m not ready to invest in a dog sled just yet. Or water wings for that matter.


TOPICS: Science; Society; Weather
KEYWORDS: climatechange; flood; globalcooling; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; maunderminimum; popefrancis; romancatholicism
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1 posted on 07/12/2015 7:02:06 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

OK!! Everybody pay attention!

Lesson for today:

1. The sun is 1,300,000 times as big as the earth.

2. The sun is a ball of fire that controls the climates of all its planets.

3. The earth is one of the sun’s planets.

4. The earth is a speck in comparison to the size of the sun.

5. Inhabitants of the earth are less than specks.

Study Question: How do less-than-specks in congress plan to control the sun?


2 posted on 07/12/2015 7:12:56 AM PDT by abclily
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To: SeekAndFind

“Cats and dogs living together; mass hysteria!”


3 posted on 07/12/2015 7:15:57 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Is the Sunspot Cycle About to Stop?

By: Jay M. Pasachoff | June 14, 2011

Among the 320 solar physicists who have gathered for a conference in Las Cruces, New Mexico, word is buzzing about a claim that the 11-year solar-activity cycle, which some of them have spent their lives studying, may be on the verge of a drastic change

- See more at: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/astronomy-news/is-the-sunspot-cycle-about-to-stop/#sthash.t2Q6p4Gi.dpuf

4 posted on 07/12/2015 7:16:12 AM PDT by spokeshave
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To: SeekAndFind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7whL9jvdL5s


5 posted on 07/12/2015 7:17:10 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: laplata
Now we know why the Obama regime is closing off coal powered electric generation, nuclear power and tries to prohibit fracking.....

Fits in with Bill Ayers dream of extinguishing 23,000,000 Americans

Good luck surviving with snowed over solar panels and frozen wind generators.

6 posted on 07/12/2015 7:32:56 AM PDT by spokeshave
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To: SeekAndFind

If we really are already into a mini ice age, we have very little time to get our food plants adapted.

GMO is going to be vital.

The anti-GMO Food Luddites, and you Freepers who are part of this evil cabal know who you are, will cause the starvation of additional millions.

It’s time to repent and repudiate your evil alliances.


7 posted on 07/12/2015 7:33:19 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (DonÂ’t worry, weÂ’ll take our country back. - Donald Trump)
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To: Balding_Eagle

BTTT


8 posted on 07/12/2015 7:34:44 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Do not worry, we will take our country back. - Donald Trump)
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To: SeekAndFind
Global warming to cause ice age in 2030…

Happens every time. I crank up the heat in my home, lay the ice trays next to the heat outlet, and within 10 minutes, I have ice.

Y'see.

9 posted on 07/12/2015 7:36:02 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Love me like there's no tomorrow... because, hey, in New Vegas, you never know.)
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To: SeekAndFind

These global warming/climate change advocates make so many unsubstantiated claims that they are causing confusion.

Floods or new ice age?

How many inches have the oceans risen in the last century?

Do I get hip-high wading boots or a parka?


10 posted on 07/12/2015 7:38:51 AM PDT by TomGuy
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You nailed it perfectly. But the 23 million figure was a long time ago. I think it would be over 100 million today.

They’re vile, evil bastards.

They deserve lead poisoning.


11 posted on 07/12/2015 7:45:05 AM PDT by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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You jest.

But I remember when I was about 8 years old in the mid-1950s, we visited some relatives in a NM. They had a 'gas' refrigerator. I recall looking underneath, as the appliance had about 9" legs, and marveled at seeing the pilot light flickering and wondering how that translated in cold to preserve food.

It looked something like this, IIRC:




12 posted on 07/12/2015 7:55:50 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SeekAndFind

Well? Which is it? Do I save my wood for heating, or do I build an Ark?

These people are beyond ridiculous. ‘Mother Erf’ is gonna do what She’s gonna do. We just need to prepare and/or stay out of Her way if we can. :)


13 posted on 07/12/2015 8:02:27 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: abclily

I love that post. Keep posting it! :)


14 posted on 07/12/2015 8:02:43 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: TomGuy

Some former neighbors of mine had a gas air conditioning unit. It required electricity to operate too but mainly it ran on natural gas. I wish I had one, don’t know if it is even possible any more, the electric company has their hooks into us now.

I remember the refrigerator you posted, I remember when we had one but I didn’t know they ran on gas.


15 posted on 07/12/2015 8:06:52 AM PDT by Ditter ( God Bless Texas!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Geological evidence says these Ice Ages are cyclic events that have been going on for a very long time, and we could well be due for another one. Between that and the Global Warming fear mongering I can see us ending up in a situation where the politically well connected (like Al Gore) are going to get control of the energy sources, living comfortably and getting filthy rich dealing in “carbon credits” while the rest of us freeze in the dark because we can’t afford the fuel to keep warm.


16 posted on 07/12/2015 8:13:19 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: laplata; greeneyes; All

That was an interesting video. More proof that MAN is not the tiniest bit at fault as to what our Universe is going to do.

Guess I’ll just be growing salad greens, spinach and cole crops in the future:

• Brussels sprout
• Cabbage
• Cauliflower
• Collards
• Kale
• Kohlrabi
• Mustard
• Broccoli
• Turnip
• Watercress

No more tomatoes? That’s depressing!


17 posted on 07/12/2015 8:14:23 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: TomGuy
How many inches have the oceans risen in the last century?

Nature has not been cooperating with Al Gore and those who are making the claim that because of fossil fuel use both worldwide temperatures and the sea level are going to rise dramatically.

Without satellite data, the actual amount that the seas have risen is actually more difficult to determine than one might think. This is largely because coastal land masses are simultaneously rising and falling in different world. This is due to a number of factors including continental shift, volcanic activity, seismic activity, erosion, and numerous other natural processes. The data seems to show that the seas have risen around 6 inches in the last hundred years and have been rising at a similar rate since the “little ice age”. All though one would expect that melting glaciers and sediment carried from land masses due to erosion into the oceans would play a part, most of this sea level rise during this period is theorized to be from thermal expansion of the waters. In some places such as Bangladesh he amount of land mass above Sea Level has increased due to soils being deposited by rivers from the process of erosion. This is despite scary predictions that the entire country would soon be under water. Many Pacific Atolls have been gaining land mass as well despite the scary predictions. /p>

Ironically, the best instrumentation available indicates that there has actually been a decrease in the rate of sea level rise over the last 20 years. This corresponds with satellite data that shows that there has been no measurable “global warming” during the same time period despite rising CO2 levels.

18 posted on 07/12/2015 8:38:47 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Liberals always state that the Sun’s heat output stays effectively the same, and they say sunspots have no effect on Earth’s temperature. Everything is “greenhouse gas-based,” and therefore human caused.


19 posted on 07/12/2015 8:46:29 AM PDT by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: SeekAndFind
Global warming to cause ice age in 2030… or a flood...

Or maybe the birth of millions of new unicorns...

20 posted on 07/12/2015 8:53:26 AM PDT by GOPJ (If it wasn't for massive immigration the Democrat party would have already gone extinct -FeeperReese)
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