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My preacher said exactly what I expected: That the church does not endorse or approve of gay marriage, that we should love the sinner in order to bring more to Christ, but that this decision is a omen of persecution to come.

I Wish my pastor would've spoken with such clarity and conviction.

Before I launch into my disappointment, I have to set the context. My family and I attend a large Christian non-denominational church. Our church is a mix of Catholics, ex-Catholics, Protestants, Lutherans, AG, Baptists, etc..

We have five services on the weekends, each one pretty much packed. Our worship center holds 1,700 people, over-flow with full video/audio for another 600 on site.

On any given weekend, about 10,000 +/- come through our doors.

My family and I have been members of this church for 17 years. Wife and I were baptized into Christ in this church, we support it financially (yes, we tithe) and have been members of this church since it was about 350 people.

My wife is a pre-school administrator for the pre-school our church runs and has been for the past 7 years or so. I was part of the Tech ministry at our church for a very long time running sound boards and anything else that was needed.

So we're "heavily invested" on almost every level with our church.

That sets the context for what I'm about to say.

I was frankly shocked, and very disappointed that our Pastor chose to literally not speak out on the topic. This was our Pastor's chance to speak with moral clarity and certainty -- and on every other topic I've seen & heard him speak including abortion, sex before marriage, etc.. he's been rock solid.

Last Sunday, I saw a Pastor that I've greatly respected stand up and say that he was aware that "the media" was in the church, they were looking for a "sound bite" to misquote and he wasn't going to give one to them. He stated simply that any church member who wanted to know the Church's stance on gay marriage that members of the staff and church elder's were available to meet with them privately to discuss it.

Beyond that, our Pastor said now more than ever was a time to pray for the restoration of America.

Now, I don't know if our Pastor was being "smart" or if he took the easy road. I'm still struggling with that.

What I *do know* is that on this specific issue, he did not speak with the same moral clarity and certainty as he's done on other, equally sensitive issues in the past.

That bothers me. A LOT. Enough so that I'm going to request a meeting with him to discuss it.

67 posted on 07/05/2015 8:09:23 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative
a Pastor that I've greatly respected stand up and say that he was aware that "the media" was in the church, they were looking for a "sound bite" to misquote and he wasn't going to give one to them.

I wouldn't fault him on that. You know that taxpayer funds are used for IRS agents to enter churches and tattle on them if they break the political endorsement rules, right? The Bible says we are to be wise as serpents as well as gentle as doves.

70 posted on 07/05/2015 8:36:24 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (When the left says justice, it means power. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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Yeah. My pastor not only clearly stated that Matthew 19 and Mark 10 clearly state Christ’s reiteration of God’s will in Genesis 2 - that man and woman were made to complete one another - but continued in saying that sexual sin is a rebellion against God. Also, that Christ and the Church are the groom and bride, and that saying otherwise is rebellion against God.

We need to CLEARLY STATE that if you wish to call us bigots, YOU MUST CALL OUR SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST A BIGOT: We’re just following his rules.

I had a Christian friend try to argue the liberal talking point that Christ wast talking about divorce and I simply told him “Have you not read that God created them MAN and WOMAN, and that the two become one flesh?” There is no escape from Christ’s words.


73 posted on 07/05/2015 8:44:29 PM PDT by struggle
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