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I'm glad to be an American. But I won't really celebrate the Fourth of July.
The Week ^ | July 3, 2015 | Bonnie Kristian

Posted on 07/03/2015 7:06:18 AM PDT by C19fan

This weekend we celebrate the Fourth of July, high holiday of American civic religion and universal occasion for cookouts, stars-and-stripes bikinis, and raucous displays of unbridled patriotism.

More than 200 years ago, however, there was no such unanimity on the subject of the American Revolution. Though our popular history tends to avoid such off-message details, about 15 percent of white American colonists during the Revolutionary War were loyalists, and perhaps more surprisingly, close to half were effectively neutral.

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TOPICS: History; Religion
KEYWORDS: independence; pacifism
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To: kearnyirish2

“...Patriotism is dead...”

I don’t think it is dead...It just isn’t voiced as loud as in the past because of the way the media portrays things...

Still, there is patriotism inside of America, but we are growing older and don’t have the voice we used to have...

I strongly feel if and when the SHTF, patriotic Americans will again rise to the occasion....


21 posted on 07/03/2015 7:54:46 AM PDT by Boonie ("Nuke 'em all...Let Allah sort 'em out...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I applaud Mr. Meyers valor.

I wonder though who we are fighting for or against these days and which side is our regime backing....cant be good.

then there was LBJ back in the day....he did not fight to win.....just keep fighting and dying! and Nixon would have fought to win but was hamstrung by congress.

WW 2 was the last war with an endgame...in my humble opinion.


22 posted on 07/03/2015 7:55:08 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: heshtesh
we are pawns...worse of all though, is we KNOW we are pawns and can do nothing about it....

IF we were born in this country, or came to live here many years ago, we were BLESSED by God..

...this has been an amazing country...

but not so much anymore....

I feel the life draining out of her....we've become a shallow,godless pathetic country....

I didn't vote for this...I work against it...I try to live a decent, moral, law abiding life...I pray..

23 posted on 07/03/2015 7:55:45 AM PDT by cherry
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To: Bluewater2015
Independence Day weekend will be muted for me as well. For the first time since I can remember, the flag pole at my front door sits empty. There will be no fireworks, no town parade, none of the usual "4th of July" festivities.

Instead, my wife and I will be hanging out on our back deck grilling foods for friends and neighbors. Just another summer weekend around here.

I don't hate my country. But it's no longer the country I used to know. I served in the Marines and I still hold out hope that we will eventually find our way again. But things may still get worse before they get better.

24 posted on 07/03/2015 7:55:45 AM PDT by SamAdams76
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To: Vaquero

The military doesn’t make policy in this country.


25 posted on 07/03/2015 7:57:13 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: C19fan

Funny I am kind of mentally numb these days watching the destruction of classical America and American culture on a hourly basis. I really don’t celebrate anything anymore and I really don’t get down about much either. It is like my body naturally producing Haldol™ to keep me semi sane.


26 posted on 07/03/2015 7:57:22 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: kearnyirish2
ALL THE MORE REASON TO RAISE THE FLAG!!!!

show that you love the traditional America....

27 posted on 07/03/2015 7:57:25 AM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

Plan B:

http://www.LivingInThePhilippines.com


28 posted on 07/03/2015 7:58:08 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: Sans-Culotte

Have you listened to the group, Madison Rising, and their version of the National Anthem???

Just because they are a rock group, don’t turn them away...

The lead singer is a veteran (Navy corpsman)...

I’m 67 years old and Vietnam veteran and listening to them and watching their video got me fired up and excited all over again....


29 posted on 07/03/2015 7:58:34 AM PDT by Boonie ("Nuke 'em all...Let Allah sort 'em out...)
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To: Sans-Culotte

“The holiday is more like a wake”. Good comparison.


30 posted on 07/03/2015 8:03:49 AM PDT by liberalism is suicide (Communism,fascism-no matter how you slice socialism, its still baloney)
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To: heshtesh

I am not proud of a lot of things done by government action. But then again, what national government is without sin? None of them. There’s honestly something good to be found about the sacrifices people make for my own country, and I don’t give a (&;&) about whatever the extreme libertarians or extreme leftists wish to see wrong with our country through their blood red lenses.


31 posted on 07/03/2015 8:07:31 AM PDT by Morpheus2009
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To: All

Watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8C7i9kdEf8


32 posted on 07/03/2015 8:08:28 AM PDT by Boonie ("Nuke 'em all...Let Allah sort 'em out...)
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To: All

Another GREAT video of OUR Anthem....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaye7Md3PYs


33 posted on 07/03/2015 8:12:38 AM PDT by Boonie ("Nuke 'em all...Let Allah sort 'em out...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The military doesn’t make policy in this country
as it shouldn't.

but as a citizen, I reserve the right to agree or disagree with the reasons for fighting...and if I disagree then deciding not to be in the service

if I was at the age to fight (I was much too old) after 9-11, I would have gladly fought. after a few years it just became another debacle as Bush decided to stop putting full effort into destroying Bin Laden and Al Qaeda and finish his daddy's war for him. I grudgingly backed him but was not happy with that.

after pearl harbor Dad joined the USMC and fought the Japanese in the south pacific. That was the good fight.

34 posted on 07/03/2015 8:17:00 AM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Vaquero

Yes, my late father was alongside yours and then also fought in Korea and Vietnam. I joined because I always expected to, but as I had “seen the sights” of the Marine Corps, I chose Army Intelligence instead. I went in during the Carter administration and although he made many mistakes, I never doubted that he was patriotic.


35 posted on 07/03/2015 8:22:27 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can help: https://donate.tedcruz.org/c/FBTX0095/)
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To: C19fan

Some good points.

The consequences of not winning the Revolution might not have been all that horrible. We might have wound up as a really, really big Canada.

There are much worse fates.

As several Loyalists, and I believe even Franklin, pointed out, if the colonies stayed with Britain their influence in the Empire would inevitably increase as the balance of population, wealth and power shifted. We’re a continent, UK is a couple of islands.


36 posted on 07/03/2015 8:31:01 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: cherry

I’d use a Gadsden flag, or even the bicentennial (13 stars in a circle). The 50-star flag hardly heralded a golden age for the US.


37 posted on 07/03/2015 10:21:36 AM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: kearnyirish2

I’d use a Gadsden flag, or even the bicentennial (13 stars in a circle). The 50-star flag hardly heralded a golden age for the US.


The 48 star flag is the best. That’s when the USA peaked as a nation. Once that 50th star got sewed on, it was all downhill from there.


38 posted on 07/03/2015 10:57:55 AM PDT by Bluewater2015 (There are no coincidences)
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To: Boonie

Madison rocked the Anthem!..Good on them!

“FOR THOSE UNAWARE....THE FLAG IS STILL THERE!!!


39 posted on 07/03/2015 11:19:22 AM PDT by caww
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To: heshtesh

....”tell me he’s wrong”.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt8y18YFH70


40 posted on 07/03/2015 11:22:44 AM PDT by caww
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