Posted on 07/02/2015 9:27:46 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
The major boost for alien hunters can be exclusively revealed by Express.co.uk on World UFO Day, which campaigners are using to call for the release of all such records globally.
UFO researchers, backed by House of Lords peer, have been fighting for the release of 18 top secret Ministry of Defence (MoD) files about UFO sightings from more than 30 years ago.
The Government faced claims of a cover-up from conspiracy theorists when their release was stalled at the end of 2013.
Some investigators claim the files could provide key evidence of extra-terrestrial life visiting the UK and of specific information about famous controversial sightings such as the Rendlesham Forest incident - a series of reported sightings of unexplained lights and the alleged landing of one or more craft in Suffolk in late December 1980.
Lord Black of Brentwood, who asked the Government for an update through a Parliamentary question, was assured yesterday - the day before World UFO day - the files would be released by the MoD to the National Archives by March next year.
Alien hunters are confident these records could prove if extra-terrestrial life actually exists, as these were the most secretive files held in the private offices of various Cabinet ministers.
(Excerpt) Read more at express.co.uk ...
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NOVA: Let’s talk about your own personal evolution from perhaps skepticism to belief …
MACK: When I first encountered this phenomenon, or particularly even before I had actually seen the people themselves, I had very little place in my mind to take this seriously. I, like most of us, were raised to believe that if we were going to discover other intelligence, we’d do it through radio waves or through signals or something of that kind.
The idea that we could be reached by some other kind of being, creature, intelligence that could actually enter our world and have physical effects as well as emotional effects, was simply not part of the world view that I had been raised in. So that I came very reluctantly to the conclusion that this was a true mystery. In other words, that I—I did everything I could to rule out other sources, or sexual abuse. Some of these people are abused. But they’re able to tell, distinguish clearly the abduction trauma from other forms of abuse. Some forms of psychosis or people making up stories—I could reject that on the basis that there was no gain in this for the vast majority of these people.
…. I’ve now worked with over a hundred experiencers intensively. Which involves an initial two-hour or so screening interview before I do anything else. And in case after case after case, I’ve been impressed with the consistency of the story, the sincerity with which people tell their stories, the power of feelings connected with this, the self-doubt—all the appropriate responses that these people have to their experiences.
NOVA: So tell us, please, how literally you intend people to take this? Are you suggesting people are really being snatched from their beds by aliens and experiments on board a spaceship?
MACK: Just how literally to take this, is one of the most interesting and complex aspects of this. And I want to walk through that as clearly as I can. There are aspects of this which I believe we are justified in taking quite literally. That is, UFOs are in fact observed, filmed on camera at the same time that people are having their abduction experiences.
People, in fact, have been observed to be missing at the time that they are reporting their abduction experiences. They return from their experiences with cuts, ulcers on their bodies, triangular lesions, which follow the distribution of the experiences that they recover, of what was done to them in the craft by the surgical-like activity of these beings.
All of that has a literal physical aspect and is experienced and reported with appropriate feeling, by the abductees, with or without hypnosis or a relaxation exercise.
….There is a—I believe, a gradation of experiences and that go from the most literal physical kinds of hurts, wounds, person removed, spacecraft that can be photographed, to experiences which are more psychological, spiritual, involve the extension of consciousness. The difficulty for our society and for our mentality is, we have a kind of either/or mentality. It’s either, literally physical; or it’s in the spiritual other realm, the unseen realm. What we seem to have no place for—or we have lost the place for—are phenomena that can begin in the unseen realm, and cross over and manifest and show up in our literal physical world.
So the simple answer would be: Yes, it’s both. It’s both literally, physically happening to a degree; and it’s also some kind of psychological, spiritual experience occurring and originating perhaps in another dimension. And so the phenomenon stretches us, or it asks us to stretch to open to realities that are not simply the literal physical world, but to extend to the possibility that there are other unseen realities from which our consciousness, our, if you will, learning processes over the past several hundred years have closed us off.
NOVA: I wonder, if in that vein, you can speak to what you think this experience is about?
MACK: ….There are several effects that these experiences have for those who undergo alien abduction encounters. First is the most familiar aspect or fit, which is a traumatic event in which a blue light or some kind of energy paralyzes the person, whether they’re in their home or they’re driving a car. They can’t move.
They feel themselves being removed from wherever they were. They floated through a wall or out a car, carried up on this beam of light into a craft and there subjected to a number of now familiar procedures which involve the beings staring at them; involves probing of their body, their body orifices; and a complex process whereby they sense in the case of men, sperm removed; in the women, eggs removed; some sort of hybrid offspring created which they’re brought back to see in later abductions. That’s the sort of literal experience.
Now, the effect of that is—or what seems to be going on there, in a number of abductees—not just people I see, but the ones Budd Hopkins and other people see—is to produce some kind of new species to bring us together to produce a hybrid species which—the abductees are sometimes told—will populate the earth or will be there to carry evolution forward, after the human race has completed what it is now doing, namely the destruction of the earth as a living system. So it’s a kind of later form. It’s an awkward coming together of a less embodied species than we are, and us, for this evolutionary purpose.
However, that might not be literally true. It might be that that this is a communication to us. That perhaps we need to change our ways. It may not be that these are literally our babies. It may be a kind of expression of images of babies; or it may be that these hybrids we’re told is what will have to be. It’s a kind of insurance policy if the earth continues to be subjected to the exploitation of its living environment to the point where it can’t sustain human and other life as it’s now occurring. But it may not be literally what is going to happen. So that’s one area.
Another area is the whole visual environmental and informational aspect of this in which people are shown on television screens a huge variety of scenes of environmental destruction of the earth polluted; of a kind of post-apocalyptic scene in which even the spirits have been routed from their environment because they live in the same physical and spiritual environment that we do; and canyons are shown with trees destroyed; pieces of the earth are seen as breaking away—portions of the East Coast or West Coast.
NOVA: …..Alien hybrid. What does that mean?
MACK: Sometimes along the way, as you go deeper and deeper into the person’s consciousness, into their experience, they will discover….what is called a dual identity. In other words, that they are both human—in one dimension; but they also are themselves, have an alien identity. That they are participatory in this reproductive hybrid program, as if they were altogether part of it. And that they may, in fact, even experience themselves as aliens.
One of the men in my book actually was an active participant in taking a woman from Texas up into the ship and being, and acting the reproductive function of the alien being, and felt he was himself alien. And often the abductees will feel that their job, developmentally, is to integrate these two dimensions or these two aspects of themselves: the human and the alien. And that the alien dimension is a part of ourselves, our souls, if you will even, from which we were or have been cut off over the centuries of human beings living on this earth in this densely embodied form.
READER’s NOTE: above is Mack’s opinion.
What are they? I have no clue..!
serious woo...
NOT GUILTY!
Wait.....that was meant for post 34...
Me too. To this day, I can't explain them. Even MUFON couldn't tell me what I saw.
Indeed, very serious. Dr. Mack was no old fool, not a psychobabble academic. I have wondered what conclusion he would have come to had he a better grounding in the Bible and Christ. It is hard to fathom based on his work. But I am, after decades involved with this phenomenon (I was a licensed field investigator with MUFON way back when), convinced it is demonic in origin. I am convinced these ‘visitors’ are related to Angel interference in Humanity. They may even have destroyed an entire planet and the co system of that planet and it’s Moons, Mars being one of those moons where living beings once dwelt. The big surge in sightings and abductions, to my calculus, is a clear sign these devils are getting ready for the end of the Church Age, when the ‘restrainer’ is taken out fo the way and the lawlessness will abound under which they can do evil openly and fill their lust for chaos and destruction on human beings. I am also convinced The Lie spoken of in the Bible has an element of ET empowerment behind it.
Nephelim?
Please do tell...
Interested in hearing what your Mensa level intellect perceived. In all sincerity.
Do you have a link to that interview/article?
Thanks for the ping!
“BTW, I have read all the John Mack interviews. And as he says...there is something going on.
I think I know what...and it ain’t aliens.”
What DO you think?
I wonder why they set “by next March” as the time frame? Any thoughts as to why then?
Interesting comment. I was actually tracked down by Mensa. They found me and invited me to a get together. I stayed about 20 minutes! Bunch of jerks!
I'm still not ready to go full alien, but I have met many reliable people who have experienced inexplicable incidents. Then again, I have seen some explicable phenomena that look like magic to the uninitiated. :)
If you search the below, it is somewhere in that area’
http://johnemackinstitute.org/1995/04/nova-interviews-john-mack-psychiatrist-harvard-university/
I think the conclusion of many is reveal in Las Vegas Dave's post #41 above and in MHGinTN's post #46 above.
I think it's more complicated than we can know but I do believe that there is plenty of evidence in both the Bible and in what has been thought of as mythology (particularly Greek mythology).
That said, while the Bible is in no way erroneous, there is more to IT than we know (I refer you to Dr James Kugel's videos on ancient Jewish Biblical interpretation).
As to ancient mythology, I would take all that with a large grain of salt...but it does paint a kind of impressionistic view of things which were once real.
You mentioned nephilim in a post above. I think you are pretty close on that one.
All this is clearly inter-dimensional and has a clear spiritual aspect to it. And the fact that it is so closely defined with what we call "new age religion" seems to be too odd to be coincidence.
Here are a few quotes that I found quite interesting...
"Increasingly I felt as if I were entering a struggle that might even be more than life and death. It might be a struggle for my soul, my essence, or whatever part of me might have reference to the eternal. There are worse things than death, I suspected... so far the word demon had never been spoken among the scientists and doctors who were working with me...Alone at night I worried about the legendary cunning of demons...At the very least I was going stark, raving mad."
-Whitley Strieber, "Transformation""I wondered if I might not be in the grip of demons, if they were not making me suffer for their own purposes, or simply for their enjoyment."
-Whitley Strieber, "Transformation""I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace. It was hell on earth to be there [in the presence of the entities], and yet I couldn't move, couldn't cry out, couldn't get away. I'd lay as still as death, suffering inner agonies. Whatever was there seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and dark and sinister. Of course they were demons. They had to be. And they were here and I couldn't get away."
-Whitley Strieber, "Transformation""The 'medical examination' to which abductees are said to be subjected, often accompanied by sadistic sexual manipulation, is reminiscient of the medieval tales of encounters with demons. It makes no sense in a sophisticated or technical framework: any intelligent being equipped with the scientific marvels that UFOs possess would be in a position to achieve any of these alleged scientific objectives in a shorter time and with fewer risks."
-Dr. Jacques Vallee, "Confrontations"
I have no idea what idea he might have of UFO's but he knows the Bible (even the New Testament) backstory better than any other living authority. He specializes in the Dead Sea Scrolls, particularly the Book of Jubilees. The Book of Jubilees echos much of what the Book of Enoch has to say about fallen angels.
I think all of this comes back to fallen angels and their attempts to manipulate humans and the earth for their own purposes (whatever that might be).
I joined Mensa, just to get the card, and wave it in the faces of some intellectual phonies. Got the magazine subscription too. I stayed in for a year, the newsletter was run by some leftie... didnt bother rejoining.
You’ve gotten me off on a search to learn more. On interesting thing I came across is that Jubilees states that God granted ten percent of the disembodied spirits of the nephilim to remain after the flood, as demons, to try to lead the human race astray until the final Judgment.
Listen to Kugel on Jubilees and you'll get an idea of how important Jubilees is...
James Kugel at Pardes: 2 - The Book of Jubilees: the Oldest Commentary on the Book of Genesis.
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