Posted on 05/25/2015 6:16:41 PM PDT by Retain Mike
Thank you for sharing on Memorial day, is that really the way your felt when you were in the military?
Kampfgruppe Peiper failed at the Battle of the Bulge because of the American combat engineers, and its commander, Joachim Peiper, knew it.
I never said that and I don’t believe that. You are the only one of us who’s used those words. I did not and I would not because I don’t believe that.
Just because I believe that there are people in high places that have used, and those that are using the military for their own ends/benefits, that does NOT follow that I think the military are stupid, or dupes. THAT IS YOUR WHACKED OUT PERSONAL INFERRED LOGIC. Maybe you need to check your cynicism at the door and turn off a few of your own bias filters.
I don’t believe they are stupid or dupes. I believe most believe the reasons they are told, whatever that happens to be. I don’t believe many in the lower ranks ever know the upper echelons’ multitude of reasons why.
I know that is the way a lot of disillusioned former military folks have been left feeling.
Do you really want the militray fighting wars for special interests, used to deflect attention off the latest political scandal of the president, and things “too big to fail”, or would you rather they fight when war is actually declared properly, there is a clear American interest defined, the mission parameters are defined, objectives are defined, and it’s clear and obvious to everyone how it protects the security of our nation. I mean that’s not too much to ask considering American soliders are going to be killed, is it?
I just thought it was something people were supposed to do. Now that was my thought when I was finishing college and Vietnam was still on. I didnt really want to go, but it was my turn. I didnt really believe there was much to think about considering the type of men I had grown up around, so I volunteered for the Navy officer program since that service would have always been my first choice.
Is that how you felt when you were in the military, like a “pawn” and a “merc”?
And now Ramadi is gone...
You can’t answer post 46 about how you felt in the military, in regards to your posts about the rest of us, and the war dead, being pawns and mercs, that you feel sorry for?
Which president did you enlist under?
My father was in the Combat Engineers. They would be routinely sent out as commandos on suicide missions, forging well beyond the front lines to fight the Germans and secure river beachheads, where they would build the bridges for the infantry to use when the front line caught up with them.
Not so during WW II. The primary mission of the Armored Force was to exploit breakthroughs and dash for the enemies rear areas, as a mechanized substitute for the horse cavalry role. Their near simultaneous task was in the infantry support role by eliminating enemy gun emplacements , machine gun positions, light armored vehicles and soft targets of all types. This explains the ubiquitous Sherman tank, which was robust, mechanically reliable and mobile, with a main gun that had a good high explosive round, and a relatively weak anti-armor round.
The job of engaging enemy tanks was to be handled by TANK DESTROYER units, such as the fully tracked M-10 and M-36 Gun Motor carriages, and the towed 37 mm, 57 mm and 3 inch anti-tank guns.
In actual practice, the tank destroyers and tanks had their roles intermixed, often unsuitably if courageously performed. This was particularly true of the lightly armored gun motor carriages, which because they looked like tanks and could fire high explosives, led them to be USED as tanks when tanks werent available. The army abandoned the tank destroyer concept after the war and focused on a universal armored fighting vehicle known as the main battle tank to handle both roles.
I am not saying the military folks feel they are mercs or pawns, I am saying that the people using them feel that way about them. How can you not grasp that? How are you unable to see that?
Seriously, man, what is wrong with you? What is seriously wrong with you? What is your major malfunction?
Given your confrontational attitude and your well-established ability to take things out of context, I have zero desire to talk to you about anything in my personal life.
So you are still in the Army, or a veteran of the Army?
Again you do not read what I write.
I told you I am not going to discuss my personal history with someone with your surly, argumentative personality. You only want to use anything I say to your benefit, against me. I imagine you’ll what I just wrote and twist it to whatever you want to say about me.
Well, you already posted that you are in the Army, or used to be.
You won’t even say which president you served under?
Exactly where did you see me post that?
Didn’t you read post 52? I quoted you.
us == US (United States)
us == US (United States)
I don’t talk street.
So on Memorial day you do this to this thread and you refuse to even say if you served in the military.
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