Posted on 05/25/2015 1:50:34 PM PDT by Morgana
Eight years ago, Alice gave a thorough and detailed account of events that are nearly identical to those outlined in the police report that became public this week:
"In January, the whole family went to Chicago and taped Oprah Winfrey show... As you may have noticed, that show never aired and it never will," Alice posted before delivering the bombshell that The Oprah Winfrey Show staffers had been told that Josh had molested five minor girls. Alice then wrote, "Yes, this is the truth ... They have been investigated to some length..."
On the subject of Josh's parents Jim Bob, 49 and Michelle, 48, Alice wrote "They have lied and lied about their son to protect him... In my eyes he is a CHILD MOLESTOR. HE SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THE HOME."
(Excerpt) Read more at people.com ...
“At least until one of them wanted to destroy the other.”
What do you mean? Muslims destroy ever day. Takes a big one for it to make the news.
“You got a second chance. And a third, fourth, and fifth. Just counting the number of victims. Most likely there were dozens of chances to do the right thing. Your religion did not help you. It should be helping you in prison right now, where you belong if the statute of limitations were better for child predators.”
Just wait. This is going to turn into a Bill Cosby as more and more victims come out and say “Josh molested me”. I’m placing bets now, any takers?
“The brothers did right by finally doing him in. “
False. David’s failure to punish his son, Amnon, did lead to Absalom murdering him. But it was still murder. Further, Absalom ultimately led a rebellion against his father to steal the kingdom rightfully given to him by God. Both his murder and rebellion appear to stem from his bitterness over the rape of his sister. Ultimately, his bitterness made him the enemy of God and he died in his sins. David grieved more for the loss of Absalom than the innocent child that he lost due to his own moral failure. David said he would be reunited with his child. He said no such thing of Absalom and would not be comforted over his loss of this son.
Whatever someone has done to you or those you love, you must find forgiveness toward them or you will ultimately direct your bitterness and unforgiveness toward God and fail to receive the forgiveness you need from Him.
I agree with you that there are some really bad Psychologists out there. One that I had the misfortune of dealing with as a “Custody Evaluator” was awful. He was a BIG supporter of Bill Clinton. Had a HUGE poster-sized pic of him in his office. We were FORCED by the Court to use this guy. He was a LIAR. Excused the abuse of me by my ex that our children witnessed and I filed a complaint with a full 75 page report that I wrote and I got his butt in trouble with the Board of Psychologists. Unfortunately this man is still “protected” by the Court (can’t sue him he has immunity), and on the Court-provided gravy train for Family Court. He’s still ruining lives and writes “reports” based on who pays him.
If the Duggars (and WE DON’T know) got good counselors/licensed by the State and had good Education from a Christian viewpoint. We really don’t have any idea of what was done.
I don’t think it’s fair to young girls at that time, to have to make an adult decision to “forgive” their abuser or to be around/left alone at any time with him. IMHO
Don’t forget Michael Jackson.
Michael Jackson? He’s been dead for years.
Yes but his victims are still alive. Who know if their adult relationship will be affected.
I can guarantee you that those girls are doing the "godly" or "family" or "Christ" thing and "forgiving" him. It's what's expected of them and they are doing it. And they're probably trying to forgive and put it behind them.
I don't for a minute believe this is over and done with in their minds or souls. As they get older and more mature and it fully sinks in what was done to them in their own home by their own brother and the parents didn't go full gonzo on their pedophile son, THAT is when it's going to hit this family hard.
“I don’t think it’s fair to young girls at that time, to have to make an adult decision to “forgive” their abuser or to be around/left alone at any time with him. IMHO”
Would like to point out something else about those girls. We have read they “got Josh help” and how they sent Josh to “treatment” and the like. I have read nothing to date about what help they got for those girls. What counseling did they get? Nothing has been said. Do they not care about their girls? Appears they do not.
Bump.
The actions of Absalom did not stem solely from rape of Tamar.
Scripture does not say that.
The lack of justice (which was the responsibility of the King of Israel) played as big a role as the rape itself?
Had David fulfilled his responsibility Absalom would not have stepped in. There are problems when there is no justice. Absalom was not in the right...but neither was David.
I would say this is why David forgave and wept for Absalom.
“Yes but his victims are still alive. “
This is getting waaaaaaaaaaay of topic but....
A. Any parent who let their kid sleep over at a man’s house, a man who is single, needs to have their head examined.
B. After the first abuse story broke and parents STILL let kids sleep over AND go to Neverland Ranch unescorted? You are kidding me right? Those parents ought to be horsewhipped.
I don’t know. I am very sorry that their victimization is now public fodder. Handled correctly, it wouldn’t be. Since I don’t know the family, I have no idea and I feel uncomfortable that their victimization I now know about.
I’ve only read a vague “they received counseling”. At this point, they may need someone to talk to about this blowing up in the MSM and causing additional pain.
The adult girls may be fine around Josh, I hope they have peace, I also hope they don’t leave their kids alone either with Grandma/Grandpa (bad decision making for the victims) or with Uncle Josh.
At this point, much of America probably knows this story. As a safety issue, those who didn’t know, but know NOW, won’t allow their children to be around the family ALONE and with Josh/Anna ALONE. That’s a REAL consequence of sexual abuse. Potential victims not ALONE with the predator, ever. Family ties make this harder with Family events.
Shunning but first I would go to the police.
“I don’t for a minute believe this is over and done with in their minds or souls. As they get older and more mature and it fully sinks in what was done to them in their own home by their own brother and the parents didn’t go full gonzo on their pedophile son, THAT is when it’s going to hit this family hard.”
Gonzo is correct! That phrase I keep using “Take him to the field and horsewhip him” is something my Grandmother always said. She was correct!
I tell you all what had Josh been my boy that is what would have been done! I would have borrowed a horsewhip from a local stable and told my husband “there’s the field, take him there and don’t bring him back until you have given him a sound beating!” Then I would have said “Oh and another thing I’ll have iodine and bandages waiting when you two get back”.
I’m not one for beating a kid for the least little thing but this, I’m not one for spanking at the drop of a hat, however this is not the least little thing. This is something I see as so serious I would breakout a horsewhip just to make sure Josh NEVER did it again.
Your comments are appreciated. In spite of what you went through, you still seem to have a level head and treat the matter objectively.
Glad you found some resolution and healing from how you were mistreated.
Very interesting part about how the most guilty person who hurt you died.
At different stages of their lives they will be affected. Relationships with men and then when they become parents, what happened will become front and center again. When their child is born and they realize how much their child means to them, they will ask why Mom and Dad didn’t care enough that they risked me? Also there will be decisions to make to keep what happened to them, from happening to their child and that means visiting family and leaving their child ALONE with Grandma/Grandpa and Josh/Anna.
I feel for them.
You’re right Morgana. I need to lay off this topic—I’m getting too bent out of shape.
We all are getting bent out of shape because the sex abuse of a child is very upsetting. The fact Josh got away with it is unsettling.
Jackson got off because he had $$$$$$$$.
I’d say Josh got away because at the time his parents had connections.
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