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Home schooling was focus of Child Protection investigation, N.J. family says
NJ.com ^ | April 10, 2015 | Emily Cummins

Posted on 04/24/2015 11:00:15 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes

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To: Buttons12
They don't really care about your fire power either,
Oh yes they do.

since they have a great deal more of it than you do, not to mention more committed manpower.
Oh no they don't.

I say the answer is defunding.
You do it your way, I'll defend my family my way.

41 posted on 04/25/2015 12:43:34 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (In an Oligarchy, the serfs don't count.)
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To: Popman
My children (6) were all homeschooled and I taught them we are a country of laws first...

And when the law is violated and broken, the law breaker must be held accountable, that is not just the law breaker the steals your kids bike, it is the lawbreaker who sits in the halls of g0vt brokering power, calling itself 'the honorable'.

When a law breaker is the police, then the one whose 'rights' are being violated, must be the police on his own.

42 posted on 04/25/2015 12:49:08 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (In an Oligarchy, the serfs don't count.)
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To: PieterCasparzen
Is it possible to sue the social worker and her/his supervisors **personally**. Gee! Physicians and other professionals are subject to malpractice suits. Why not these guys and gals.

When government teachers, social workers, etc., begin to feel the heat **personally** on their **personal** wealth, then things will change.

43 posted on 04/25/2015 5:10:26 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: Buttons12

If government employees are sued **personally** and their **personal** wealth is on the line, then they will sit up and pay attention.


44 posted on 04/25/2015 5:12:13 PM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: webstersII
They called the police and the police said they had to let them in.

Mistake No. 1: Taking their legal advice from the cops.

45 posted on 04/25/2015 7:08:02 PM PDT by Oberon (John 12:5-6)
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine

Hmmm.. what about this idea ?

It’d be nice to get a few like-minded individuals, design a nice local ordinance that rejects the authority of county and state agencies... then get it passed in the local town.

Get like-minded groups in other towns to do the same thing.

Can start with a tiny handful of people; it only takes a small group to get laws passed if you go about it the right way.

Here’s a “selling point” when pushing it through the local vote: if citizens voluntarily comply with these “external authorities”, they have the right to. We’ll give them that leeway in order to get it passed. One step at a time. So if the homeschooling family lets the jerks in, that’s their prerogative. But, all they’d have to do is pick up the phone and call local police, and they would come and physically extract the attackers and arrest them. Have it be just a $50 fine, per person, that can be waived by the local magistrate (who’s got to be “with” your group).

So there’s really no teeth to it - except that the job of the local police includes physically expelling county and state agencies from the local town, unless they are requested by local citizens in writing, individually. The request would be a waiver of the local ordinance. If there is a natural disaster, etc., the local government should have the authority to issue a single waiver to allow “external agencies” inside the town’s borders to assist - only for that single event, nothing else.

Youth, family services, etc., should all be explicitly taken over as the being under the purview of the local town.

Of course, if that were the local ordinance, if a citizen had to act before the local police arrived in order to repel an “attack” by “external agencies”, they’d simply just be doing the job the police would have legally done anyway. So, no harm, no foul, since the law would exempt from prosecution the local police or any citizen protecting their own selves and property, who, in so doing, wound up causing bodily harm to “external persons” who were “non-compliant” with requests to vacate the premises.


46 posted on 04/25/2015 10:23:40 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

Mr. Zimmer called town police to sort out the matter, but police ultimately said the caseworker was allowed to come into the house.

BIG Mistake, NEVER Call the Police unless it is to DEMAND ARREST and Criminal Prosecution for Trespassing.


47 posted on 04/26/2015 3:51:55 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: The_Republic_Of_Maine
You do it your way, I'll defend my family my way.

"Every man for himself!" is not a game plan, it's a defeat plan.

48 posted on 04/27/2015 5:09:34 AM PDT by Buttons12
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To: wintertime

I agree. Problem is finding a judge to agree. A close family friend was a judge, he advised my parents that legal success was most unlikely. Also, my mother had the kind of lawyers who own what they fly in on — who can get the job done and don’t need the money; they said much the same.

I think the system is all one big fabric. Unless some rogue child protector starts a fire on it, they’re all woven together. And child protection is such an unanswerable justification for treating citizens like serfs. Claim a child’s in danger, and it’s martial law time. Rights, and timeless principles (like innocence until proven guilty) are out the window.


49 posted on 04/27/2015 5:31:23 AM PDT by Buttons12
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To: Buttons12

heritagedefense.org
hslda.org

Much more effective in the present climate than a rack full of AR-15s.

That might come later.


50 posted on 04/27/2015 5:38:28 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Buttons12
he advised my parents that legal success was most unlikely.
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Even if suing the individuals involved ( social workers, supervisors, teachers, etc.) fails. The **process** is the punishment. The liberal/Marxists do this against Christians all the time. Surely there must be some attorneys out there sympathetic to conservative causes.

51 posted on 04/27/2015 6:03:38 AM PDT by wintertime (Stop treating government teachers like they are reincarnated Mother Teresas!)
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To: Buttons12

I’m sure the Tories said the same thing back in 1776.


52 posted on 04/27/2015 12:23:43 PM PDT by The_Republic_Of_Maine (In an Oligarchy, the serfs don't count.)
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