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Officer: 'I wanted to be absolutely sure before I used deadly force'
WLWT ^ | 1:41 PM EDT Apr 18, 2015 | Jackie Congedo

Posted on 04/18/2015 5:37:57 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus

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To: ansel12

I had no idea this poster was such a sensitive individual. There is nothing in 148 that’s offensive or demeaning.

Very odd.


161 posted on 04/19/2015 5:06:39 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Eagles6
I had already seen that. So what?

So your dishonesty about it is stark. You based your position on denying it was true. Now you blow it off as irrelevant after remaining silent about it, and you want everyone to drop the subject.

So you were wrong and you knew you were wrong and you hid it, while slandering the genuine combat assessment the cop used, just to support - what? A policy of killing suspects no matter what other conditions are present? Turning the police into mere stormtroopers?

LOL, you're a great guy. Really grand. Yeah, I can see why you want this subject dropped.

162 posted on 04/19/2015 5:09:09 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: ansel12

Here’ the thing: If the cop had shot and killed the man, you would no longer support the cop’s decision.

Oh, you didn’t respond to the above. So either way, killed the man or not, you would support the cop?


163 posted on 04/19/2015 5:20:44 PM PDT by donna (Pray for Revival)
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To: Talisker
Read my posts. I never said he was not a combat veteran but the info in the story did not support that conclusion.

What is dishonest about that?

I don't want the subject dropped I just want YOU to quit posting to ME.

We will never agree so what is the point?

164 posted on 04/19/2015 5:50:50 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6
Read my posts. I never said he was not a combat veteran but the info in the story did not support that conclusion. What is dishonest about that?

Your Post 66: "Where in the article does it say he's been in combat? He may have been in a clerk that got cut by flying glass."

Your Post #78: "I have no idea what this officer did in the Marines nor do you. You are making an assumption not supported by facts. An acquaintance did 4 tours in Iraq, never left the Green Zone and never heard a boom."

Your Post #140: "I had already seen that (confirmed combat status). So what?"

We will never agree so what is the point?

To prove you're a liar. To show you know you're lying and won't admit it. To stand up for a brave cop who knew what he was doing because of his combat experience and who is being slandered by the likes of you. All sorts of reasons you don't like.

I don't want the subject dropped I just want YOU to quit posting to ME.

And I want a million dollars. You don't want replies, don't post. You don't want to be called a liar, don't lie. You don't want people determined to expose you, don't slander brave, intelligent, experienced, professional cops.

165 posted on 04/19/2015 6:13:46 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: reasonisfaith

I would think that cops do not also want to end up dead. I’m glad that this cop was clairvoyant and seemed to be able to read the guy’s mind. Lucky guess.

Shooting him wouldn’t have been a “miscarriage of justice”. Another cop might have made another decision in that split second and I wouldn’t have faulted them one bit if they had shot the guy.

In the end I’m glad that everyone is okay but I don’t think this officer made a wise choice. The next time he may not be so lucky.


166 posted on 04/19/2015 6:25:12 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: livius

“probably really was trying to do suicide by cop but without hurting the cop.”

There is no way to do suicide by cop without hurting the cop. Anytime a cop shoots someone they are put through a very stressful time. It affects not only the officer but their family as well. While they may be okay physically they do have emotional consequences that have to be dealt with. Suicide is never a victim-less crime whatever the circumstances.


167 posted on 04/19/2015 6:30:17 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: conservativegranny
don’t think this officer made a wise choice

Ya, it's a lot better to shoot someone to death first before you see a weapon, just to make sure you'll be OK.

lol..

168 posted on 04/19/2015 6:31:14 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: conservativegranny

Sure, but that’s not how cops work. The process basically involves assessing, planning and executing.

There was information available including facts of the case as well as the guy’s behavior allowing the officer to avoid relying on luck, clairvoyance and mind reading. His experience pulled everything together.


169 posted on 04/19/2015 6:54:03 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: dragnet2

LOL? Do you find anything about this funny?


170 posted on 04/19/2015 6:56:08 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: reasonisfaith

Believe me. I don’t need to be told how cops work in these types of situations. Officers have split seconds to make life and death decisions and if you make the wrong one there is no going back.

If the officer has reason to believe his life is in danger he has to react accordingly or take the chance that he may not be going home that night.

This officer could have had a partner that may have felt differently and chose a different option. There is a difference between an out-of-control cop looking to shoot someone for kicks and an officer having to make a fast decision whether he wants to live or die.


171 posted on 04/19/2015 7:04:37 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: Talisker

Thanks for proving me right. Regards.


172 posted on 04/19/2015 7:07:06 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: conservativegranny

Police officers and other first responders have a certain intelligence gained from their training and experience that others don’t have, and don’t understand.

This officer should be commended for his focused response. He kept his attention on public safety and officer safety. At the same time he avoided a shooting death. It was an ideal performance.


173 posted on 04/19/2015 7:23:00 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: conservativegranny

Yes, your comment seemed a bit funny.

Is it better to shoot someone to death first before even seeing a weapon?


174 posted on 04/19/2015 7:28:02 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: conservativegranny
If the officer has reason to believe his life is in danger he has to react accordingly or take the chance that he may not be going home that night.

They take that chance everyday. Same with most people. No guarantees in this life. If an individual wants to stay safe and avoid possibly being killed at work, do not join the military, or even be cop. If a person feels the need to shoot someone to death every time their safety or life might possibly be at risk, do not become a cop.

175 posted on 04/19/2015 7:34:52 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I agree with you that there are no guarantees in life. If you behave in a threatening manner towards a police officer and force that officer to make a split-second, life-or-death decision, well, **it happens.


176 posted on 04/19/2015 7:50:38 PM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: conservativegranny
It happens alright. And just one of the reasons why so many American's no longer have any faith/trust in government/law enforcement. How long until the next video surfaces of an officer entering a residence or involved in a traffic stop depicting the officer shooting someone to death who turns out to be completely unarmed? This seems to be an alarming escalating problem.
177 posted on 04/19/2015 8:04:42 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Eagles6
Thanks for proving me right. Regards

LOL, you know you're replying to me proving you're a liar, right?

Well anyway, thanks for agreeing with me.

178 posted on 04/20/2015 9:39:34 AM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: dragnet2

So are priests, scout leaders & teachers molesting children. People with issues are attracted to certain types of jobs where they have authority. There are good and bad in every profession. In some professions however you can cause a lot of harm if you have issues. The problem is with the hiring of people.

It’s like that airline pilot that had problems that were ignored. It eventually comes to a head and he never should have been flying that plane. Some people should never be teachers, cops, priests etc.

The number of cops who are problems is very small compared to the overall number of them who do a good job.


179 posted on 04/20/2015 11:53:17 AM PDT by conservativegranny
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To: conservativegranny

You never answered the question; Is it better to shoot someone to death first before ever seeing a weapon?


180 posted on 04/20/2015 1:11:03 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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