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Officer: 'I wanted to be absolutely sure before I used deadly force'
WLWT ^ | 1:41 PM EDT Apr 18, 2015 | Jackie Congedo

Posted on 04/18/2015 5:37:57 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus

ELSMERE, Ky. —Officer Jesse Kidder has only been on the New Richmond police force for a year, but he did two tours of duty in Iraq as a Marine and he's a Purple Heart recipient.

Still, he said he's never been confronted the way he was on Thursday.

"Law enforcement officers all across the nation have to deal with split-second decisions that mean life or death. I wanted to be absolutely sure before I used deadly force," said Kidder.

It's easier said than done, and that has never been clearer than through the lens of Kidder's body camera, when the homicide suspect he was following on Thursday got out of his car and charged.

"He jumped out and he sprinted towards me. I had my firearm already drawn on me, and I told him to put his hands up in the air and he was screaming as he was yelling, 'Shoot me, shoot me'," Kidder said.

Dispatchers had told Kidder the suspect may threaten suicide by cop and that he could have a gun under his seat, but Kidder relied on his own split-second observations to know what to do.

"So he's got his arms at his side while he's running at me and that's the first thing I noticed," Kidder said as he watched the video. "He put his hand in his pocket there, so my eyes are watching that hand right now and nothing else."

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To: Eagles6

If you want to stop participating on this thread, go ahead, but quit telling me to stop.


141 posted on 04/19/2015 1:52:06 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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To: Eagles6

You are a little nuts aren’t you.


142 posted on 04/19/2015 1:52:54 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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To: ansel12

Participate all you want just quit posting to me.


143 posted on 04/19/2015 1:59:38 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6
Yes I did read your last post. Again, I have no idea what the suspect was thinking or planning other than what the officer was told previous to the incident, and during the incident as well as the video.

If, would of, could of, might have, didn't happen here.

144 posted on 04/19/2015 1:59:58 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ansel12

When one loses an arguement they resort to insults. Very unpleasant.


145 posted on 04/19/2015 2:01:13 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6

No, when someone sees a nut on a thread telling people to get off the thread, then he calls them a nut.

You are pretty nutty as you keep telling people to stop participating in the thread.


146 posted on 04/19/2015 2:05:05 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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To: donna
This cop should be fired for not shooting. Sets a terrible unreal standard. Big mistake.

A decorated Marine Corps Infantry combat veteran.

He should become the man to emulate and he should be teaching cops how to avoid this blood bath they are creating on our streets.

147 posted on 04/19/2015 2:06:56 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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To: Eagles6

BTW, I think the issues this presents are the escalating trends in law enforcement shootings.

The trend of too many cops pulling the trigger way too quickly during events where a weapon was never displayed or where the suspect was not even in possession of a gun at the time of shooting.

This is a real problem for law enforcement. It’s part of the widespread mistrust in government/law enforcement I was referring to.

Believe me, it’s real.


148 posted on 04/19/2015 2:12:04 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ansel12

I think the perp lived by just .5 seconds.
The cop recognized the bluff and called it.


149 posted on 04/19/2015 2:20:46 PM PDT by right way right
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To: ansel12

Would you do what he did?

Would you ask your son or daughter to do what he did?


150 posted on 04/19/2015 2:29:03 PM PDT by donna (Pray for Revival)
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To: donna

Of course, I have always done things in that way, I have never killed a man while taking his knife or gun from him, they all survived it.

This cop wasn’t even doing what I have done.


151 posted on 04/19/2015 2:32:51 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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To: donna
Would you do what he did? Would you ask your son or daughter to do what he did?

Decide not to shoot a person to death who never displayed a weapon, who was telling me to shoot him?

Outside of military combat, I likely would do the same exact thing this officer did.

The officer made a choice here, and turns out he was correct. The suspect never pulled a weapon or had a weapon on him.

152 posted on 04/19/2015 2:44:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ansel12; dragnet2

Would you ask your son or daughter to do what he did?


153 posted on 04/19/2015 3:19:48 PM PDT by donna (Pray for Revival)
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To: donna

>> crickets <<


154 posted on 04/19/2015 3:29:57 PM PDT by donna (Pray for Revival)
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To: ansel12
I have not told anyone to quit participating in the thread. I have asked you and a few others to quit posting to ME as we will not agree and future discussions are fruitless.

You have resorted to insulting me which I find disrespectful to FR.

I'll ask you again, please quit posting to ME.

155 posted on 04/19/2015 3:30:29 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: dragnet2

Our discussion is over. Please quit posting to me.


156 posted on 04/19/2015 3:33:34 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where? If not us then who?)
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To: Eagles6

LOL, When are you going to quit pestering me, I go away for a while, and when I get back, there is another post from you that I have to respond to.

Just how nuts are you?


157 posted on 04/19/2015 3:34:53 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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To: donna

You read post 151 and still ask me that stupid question?

Of course, I wouldn’t want them to be incompetent and casual killers and killing people when they don’t need to.

I worked to get my son into the Army and he served with the 10th Mountain division, that means that I wanted him to serve his fellow man and in the most dangerous work of all if needed, I wanted him to be a warrior.

This cop is a good role model, he appears to be brave and true, something that we don’at always see form the union people in law enforcement.


158 posted on 04/19/2015 3:39:36 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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To: ansel12
Here’ the thing: If the cop had shot and killed the man, you would no longer support the cop's decision.

That's why a cop must follow his training, not his intuition or respond to media/political pressure.

159 posted on 04/19/2015 4:56:14 PM PDT by donna (Pray for Revival)
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To: donna

You seem clueless, a cop does need to rely on his intuition and instincts.

Creating union automatons and making set rules to protect female cops and all the other nonsense, is what created this massive national problem with police and policing.


160 posted on 04/19/2015 5:00:04 PM PDT by ansel12 (libertarian social liberalism makes conservative small limited government & low taxes impossible.)
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