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New understanding of electromagnetism could enable 'antennas on a chip'
Phys.org ^ | 4/8/15

Posted on 04/11/2015 10:29:03 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: LibWhacker

>> asymmetric excitation <<

Hmm. Reminds me of a certain old girlfriend!


21 posted on 04/11/2015 3:32:44 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: whodathunkit

>> The reception is still going to be limited by the capture area <<

What about ferrite-core loopsticks? They occupy a tiny space but pick up a lot of signal.


22 posted on 04/11/2015 3:37:15 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: LibWhacker
Note, in the picture, everything in the green area-- the gold SMA connector, the microstrip trace, the tiny coupling capacitors-- is normal RF stuff. Nothing new. The antenna is on the exposed chip to the right.

As a 30-year veteran RF circuit design engineer, I'm highly skeptical of this article. But they might be on to something. Time will tell.

23 posted on 04/11/2015 4:57:25 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Ken522

Nope, not at the speed of light in a vacuum, anyway. Even silver, best conductor in nature, slows them down a bit.


24 posted on 04/11/2015 4:58:24 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: Hawthorn
Ferrite-core loopstick are good for only low-frequency signals, like shortwave or the AM broadcast band. In the cell phone bands, their losses would be so enormous as to be unusable.

But the loopstick is only one of a class of electrically-small antennas (small compared to the wavelength in free space). Electrically-small antenna theory has been fairly stable since the 1960's, though there has been some minor refinements.

25 posted on 04/11/2015 5:01:48 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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To: backwoods-engineer

“But the loopstick is only one of a class of electrically-small antennas (small compared to the wavelength in free space). Electrically-small antenna theory has been fairly stable since the 1960’s, though there has been some minor refinements. “

Electrically small antennas have poor gain figures. For the purposes of many ferrite loop/stick antenna applications this is “good enough” - plus you can get a little directivity to null out interference to make up for sub-optimal gain.

The trick here, if I’m reading between the lines correctly, is that you’re getting an electrically resonant antenna in a small dimensional footprint but avoiding the penalty of very low gain.

Looking forward to more on this topic.


26 posted on 04/11/2015 6:35:15 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: backwoods-engineer; whodathunkit

>> Ferrite-core loopsticks are good for only low-frequency signals <<

If you’re referring to the loopsticks’ current sizes, I get it.

But what if they could be scaled down in proportion to wavelength?

For example, let’s say a current loopstick optimized for 300 meters (middle of the MW broadcast band) is three inches long. So what about a loopstick for the three cm band — which (if my calculations are correct) would be 3/10000th of an inch long?

(And I guess the “wires” wrapped around the ferrite core would be smaller by maybe a factor of ten to the minus three.)

Clearly, the manufacturing process for something that tiny is hard to imagine.

On the other hand, maybe it will eventuate some day, because nano-technology has already accomplished so many other tricks that defy the imagination.


27 posted on 04/11/2015 7:54:49 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: SolidRedState

Hmm, I’ve never had that problem and I’ve probably lived in a dozen different places in my lifetime with automatic garage doors. In my current house, I can open the garage door from anything less than about half a block away, although I do notice it’s highly sensitive to how fresh the batteries are in my opener. When I have to get as close as my next-door neighbor’s house, I’ll usually swap out the batteries for new ones. Other than that, it’d be interesting to know which make and model you have (so none of us Freepers ever make the mistake of buying one!).


28 posted on 04/12/2015 8:07:39 AM PDT by LibWhacker ("Every Muslim act of terror is follow by a political act of cover-up." -Daniel Greenfield)
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To: backwoods-engineer

One of the posters at the phys.org site said, “Warning: Antenna products and research are subject to more snake-oil salesmanship than most other fields,” and I think he’s probably right. I was excited because of the thing about symmetry breaking. I thought some new physics had been discovered. Should’ve known better.


29 posted on 04/12/2015 8:22:20 AM PDT by LibWhacker ("Every Muslim act of terror is follow by a political act of cover-up." -Daniel Greenfield)
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To: LibWhacker

It isn’t the opener or the batteries. Metal building. I tried connecting to an external antenna wire but it doesn’t help.


30 posted on 04/12/2015 2:20:17 PM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: LibWhacker
Warning: Antenna products and research are subject to more snake-oil salesmanship than most other fields,”

Much truth here. Remember all the hype about fractal antennas? People claimed they would violate Wheeler and Chu's limits on electrically-small antennas. Well, they didn't, and in some cases, they didn't even work as well as previous electrically-small antenna designs.

31 posted on 04/12/2015 7:09:51 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Blog: www.BackwoodsEngineer.com)
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Thanks KoRn. Wow, am I behind or what? Anyway, could be of interest to the C list.



32 posted on 05/11/2015 11:57:54 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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Thanks KoRn. Superconductivity ping.

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33 posted on 05/11/2015 11:59:12 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
More to the point, soon it will be possible for the oligarchy technorats to monitor every energy use by every individual, then money will vanish and energy credits will be the norm. That is Brzezinski’s wet dream come true.
34 posted on 05/11/2015 1:29:37 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Is it really all relative, Mister Einstein?)
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