THE SAVAGE NATION!!!!!! (borders,language,culture.April, 2015 thread)

To: dynachrome; All

41 posted on 04/15/2015 1:53:43 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)

To: StoneWall Brigade

How goes it, infidel?

42 posted on 04/15/2015 2:59:29 PM PDT by dynachrome (Government can't give us anything that it doesn't first take away)

Great but been busy as a bee.

43 posted on 04/15/2015 3:04:05 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)

To: StoneWall Brigade

“busy as a bee”

Me, too. the overtime is creeping back up.

44 posted on 04/15/2015 3:41:37 PM PDT by dynachrome (Government can't give us anything that it doesn't first take away)

To: StoneWall Brigade; SpaceBar; SilvieWaldorfMD; fishtank

Nutrition and the Pope on the menu today

45 posted on 04/16/2015 1:42:18 PM PDT by dynachrome (Government can't give us anything that it doesn't first take away)

I’ll have to catch it on the podcast.

46 posted on 04/16/2015 2:51:54 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)

Rock n Roll Friday Savage!

47 posted on 04/17/2015 12:58:31 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)

To: StoneWall Brigade

48 posted on 04/17/2015 1:08:23 PM PDT by dynachrome (Government can't give us anything that it doesn't first take away)

The Clintons are skid marks on Uncle Sam’s shorts.

49 posted on 04/21/2015 12:24:07 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)

50 posted on 04/21/2015 12:28:50 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)

To: StoneWall Brigade

Work, chores, and now a bit ‘o Savage!

51 posted on 04/21/2015 2:21:46 PM PDT by dynachrome (Government can't give us anything that it doesn't first take away)

Borders, Language, Culture!

52 posted on 04/22/2015 12:24:41 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)

Hey Tamar do you think North and South Korea will be able to solve the weage issues at the joint factories or will the North completely shut it down?

53 posted on 04/22/2015 12:27:42 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)

To: dynachrome; All

I lived in Ankara for about a year and I have a lot of respect for the Turkish people.. however I have very little respect for the current government there (and here, actually).

That said.. Savage has once again railed about the genocide.

This is no attempt to mitigate the horror. Even (in the past) the modern constitutional democratic Republic of Turkey has admitted the horror. But calling it genocide? Here's something on that.

Recognition of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is a secondary issue – interview with Harut Sassounian. [An Armenian living in southern California.]

[Excerpt ]"The real purpose of the resolution is not recognition of the Armenian Genocide, but a political struggle – the issue of which side has a larger political capital in Washington. . . . [T]he admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is an issue of secondary importance for us. . . . our lands were seized and our 3,000-year-old culture was destroyed. . . . Therefore, our true demand is compensation for this injustice. . . . Now specialists must study the lawyers’ advice and decide which issue should be submitted to which court, as there is the International Court of Justice, European Court of Human Rights, US Federal Courts, etc. This is a most important issue. It must be studied with all seriousness, because, if we lose in court, Turkey will claim that Armenians have no legal demands."

BTW, I don't like it that it's our Congress / government that Turkey and Armenia are fighting over to get/not get resolutions monthly (almost it seems to me).

Also Armenia and the Ottoman Empire were at war (W.W.I) and I've talked to Turks about this when I lived there. They wonder where is the concern for the hundreds of thousands of other Turkish civilian deaths notwithstanding the deaths of the Armenians.

Also why give Germany a pass?

Ottoman Turkey ally Kaiser Wilhelm II had German military stationed in Ottoman Turkey.

"'German Responsibility in the Armenian Genocide: A Review of the Historical Evidence of German Complicity" by Vahakn N. Dadrian.

[Excerpt] "Dadrian does not accuse Germany of instigating the Armenian genocide; he argues instead that Germany contributed to the genocide through policies that condoned it and that the German government sanctioned German and Turkish officials who participated in the genocide's implementation."

From wiki graffiti:

There is general agreement among western scholars that over 500,000 Armenians died between 1914 and 1918 [end of W.W.I]; other estimates vary between 600,000 to 1,500,000.

There were 6 million excess civilian deaths due to war related malnutrition and disease . . . The war brought about malnutrition and disease caused by a disruption of trade resulting in shortages of food; the mobilization for the war took away millions of men from the agricultural labor force cutting food production. The civilian deaths listed below include the Armenian Genocide; but do not include deaths during the Turkish War of Independence [following WWI, modern Turkey was created by a revolt against the W.W.I Allies' occupation of Turkey (mostly by Greece I think.)] as I understand post-W.W.I history it was the victorious Allies who set the boundaries of modern Turkey.)
Total Ottoman Empire W.W.I civilian and military deaths 2,921,844; civilian deaths 2,150,000.
The Turks rightly point out that a hell of a lot of Turks died too. It was W.W.I that included Germany and the Ottoman Empire at war with European Allies and Russia that included Armenia. Even after the 1917 Russian Revolution I think the Ottoman Empire - Armenia war continued.
I am not a historian but I can read and there is a hell of a lot more to this issue than screaming insults at Modern Turkey -- at the current government yes, but at tens of millions of Turks who reject sharia law and Islamism? NO! Here in America I can certainly identify with their plight vis-a-vis government.

54 posted on 04/22/2015 1:01:29 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)

To: WilliamofCarmichael

Ataturk modernized them and now the current gov. wants to go back.

Turks were under estimated as fighters. Just ask the Brits and Aussies at Gallipoli.

55 posted on 04/22/2015 2:36:10 PM PDT by dynachrome (Government can't give us anything that it doesn't first take away)

To: StoneWall Brigade

Talking TV show, “Homeland”. haven’t watched it meself.

56 posted on 04/22/2015 2:37:10 PM PDT by dynachrome (Government can't give us anything that it doesn't first take away)

57 posted on 04/23/2015 12:11:48 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)

The Clintons are skid marks on Uncle Sam's shorts.

Mister Sam, hose down those shorts.

58 posted on 04/23/2015 12:39:49 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)

To: StoneWall Brigade

Hillary/uranium deal on the agenda. Corruption and the Chinese.

59 posted on 04/23/2015 1:27:51 PM PDT by dynachrome (Government can't give us anything that it doesn't first take away)

Savage on a roll today.

60 posted on 04/23/2015 1:54:52 PM PDT by StoneWall Brigade (And I will send fire on Magog- Ezkiel 39:6)

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