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To: StoneWall Brigade

Work, chores, and now a bit ‘o Savage!


51 posted on 04/21/2015 2:21:46 PM PDT by dynachrome (Government can't give us anything that it doesn't first take away)
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I lived in Ankara for about a year and I have a lot of respect for the Turkish people.. however I have very little respect for the current government there (and here, actually).

That said.. Savage has once again railed about the genocide.

This is no attempt to mitigate the horror. Even (in the past) the modern constitutional democratic Republic of Turkey has admitted the horror. But calling it genocide? Here's something on that.

Recognition of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is a secondary issue – interview with Harut Sassounian. [An Armenian living in southern California.]

[Excerpt ]"The real purpose of the resolution is not recognition of the Armenian Genocide, but a political struggle – the issue of which side has a larger political capital in Washington. . . . [T]he admission of the Armenian Genocide by Turkey is an issue of secondary importance for us. . . . our lands were seized and our 3,000-year-old culture was destroyed. . . . Therefore, our true demand is compensation for this injustice. . . . Now specialists must study the lawyers’ advice and decide which issue should be submitted to which court, as there is the International Court of Justice, European Court of Human Rights, US Federal Courts, etc. This is a most important issue. It must be studied with all seriousness, because, if we lose in court, Turkey will claim that Armenians have no legal demands."

BTW, I don't like it that it's our Congress / government that Turkey and Armenia are fighting over to get/not get resolutions monthly (almost it seems to me).

Also Armenia and the Ottoman Empire were at war (W.W.I) and I've talked to Turks about this when I lived there. They wonder where is the concern for the hundreds of thousands of other Turkish civilian deaths notwithstanding the deaths of the Armenians.

Also why give Germany a pass?

Ottoman Turkey ally Kaiser Wilhelm II had German military stationed in Ottoman Turkey.

"'German Responsibility in the Armenian Genocide: A Review of the Historical Evidence of German Complicity" by Vahakn N. Dadrian.

[Excerpt] "Dadrian does not accuse Germany of instigating the Armenian genocide; he argues instead that Germany contributed to the genocide through policies that condoned it and that the German government sanctioned German and Turkish officials who participated in the genocide's implementation."

From wiki graffiti:

There is general agreement among western scholars that over 500,000 Armenians died between 1914 and 1918 [end of W.W.I]; other estimates vary between 600,000 to 1,500,000.


54 posted on 04/22/2015 1:01:29 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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