Posted on 03/23/2015 9:28:55 AM PDT by Ben Mugged
Jim Beckwourth?
While I was aware that the British used a 'Debtors Prison' System ,
I have been historialy unaware of 'white slavery' of the Irish by the Brits.
After three hundred years of indentured servitude , white slavery , and distant penal colonies, I now have a new appreciation for the AOH and the IRA in Irish History.
My Irish ancestors came as a result of the need for freedom from the subtle economic Irish caste system, and "AN GORTA MOR"('the great hunger')
I identify as an American , with Irish heritage, and the fact that all three of my children are redheads, includes a Viking heritage, or a Norwegian milkman who lingered. .. /s
Regardles ,"Ben Mugged" , thank you for additional heritage of which I was previously unaware.
And in this case, it is something that H’wood actaully got right.
***”..now we are overrun with them.”***
That is because..(Cue the music)...”Every sperm is sacred..”
Slavery is still practiced in the United States today. Except its called income taxes.
White slaves. Black slaves. Slavery is bad no matter who is the owner and who is the slave.
Pointing out white slaves doesn’t justify it anyway. It was the culture at the time. It was wrong then. It is wrong now.
Obviously you haven't worn a kilt !
There are two Irish ways to stay warm :
Irish Whiskey - (a/k/a/ 'The waters of life" )
or hug your woman under two comforters, with a 'bundling board'
There are ways to defeat the 'bundling board', and it doesn't involve 'knot holes'
Stay warm , my Freeper friend, either by drink , or companionship !
But don't wear a kilt to keep warm .. just saying !
Sorry, don't buy it. I don't think children of white indentured women were born chattel. Children generally inherited their mother's legal status.
I believe black slavery began in the 1500s. English Captain John Hawkins would take ships to Africa, buy captured blacks from the local chiefs, (those not bought were eaten by the local blacks).
Hawkins then took his ships to South America where he sold slaves around the Caribbean until his fleet was captured and sunk by the Spanish at Vera Cruz.
Hawkins escaped to later fight against the Armada. His slaves, captured by the Spanish, were sold to profit Spain.
In this country it was the black slave owners who were also slave breeders. Whites were not the breeders.
The amazing thing is that Olivia de Havilland is still alive.
I actually had one of the last good history teachers and we were actually taught about this in high school. I’d hate to see a modern history book. It probably goes no further than Jan 20th 2009.
My Scot ancestor came over after the Jacobite Rebellion in the 1730s. He was given the choice to live indentured in the new world or be hanged. So yes, you are correct.
The Portuguese were the first to traffic in Black Slaves from Africa to the New World. Pope Paul III had issued a Papal Bull in 1537 prohibiting enslavement of the indigenous people of the New World, afterward the slave trade grew quickly.
Here’s another take on the issue.
http://www.academia.edu/9475964/The_Myth_of_Irish_Slaves_in_the_Colonies
Haven’t any of you heard of the BLACK IRISH???
Amen. Slavery is the antithesis of ideals I hold sacred: freedom and self-reliance.
“Mine ended up in Herkimer County on the Mohawk..”
Any relation to Johan Joseph House = Hans Yost Haus?
In my ancestry research I found several. It appears to have been very much the mail order bride or husband of the day.
One of the accused in the Salem witch trials appeared to be matter of nosy and jealous neighbors who didn’t approve of the indentured servant moving into the house of the widowed farm owner.
James II wasn’t king of england until 1685. how could he have enslaved the irish in 1625?
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