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What Was Lee Harvey Oswald Doing in Mexico?
Politico ^ | March 18, 20 | Philip Shenon

Posted on 03/19/2015 3:48:28 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Much about his trip—weeks before the assassination—remains unexamined.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/03/jfk-assassination-lee-harvey-oswald-mexico-116195.html#ixzz3Uy93moex

Whhat if the answers to the many, persistent questions surrounding the assassination of President John F. Kennedy lie not in Dallas or Washington, D.C., but in the streets of a foreign capital that most Americans have never associated with the president’s murder? Mexico City.

Only hours after shots rang out in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, U.S. Ambassador Thomas C. Mann told colleagues in the American embassy in Mexico that he was certain Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone in killing JFK.

Oswald had visited Mexico City several weeks earlier, apparently to obtain a visa that would allow the self-proclaimed Marxist to defect to Cuba, and Mann, a veteran diplomat, suspected that a plot to kill Kennedy had been hatched on Mexican soil, during Oswald’s encounters there with Cuban diplomats and Mexicans who supported Fidel Castro’s revolution. How did Mann know about those meetings? It turned out the CIA had Oswald under surveillance in the Mexican capital after he had showed up at both the Cuban and Soviet embassies there. Back at the State Department, however, a baffled Mann hit a brick wall. No one in Washington seemed interested in his suspicions, he would later complain to colleagues. And within days of the assassination, the ambassador received an astonishing top-secret message directly from Secretary of State Dean Rusk. According to Mann’s testimony years later to congressional investigators, Rusk ordered the embassy to shut down any investigation in Mexico that might “confirm or refute rumors of Cuban involvement in the assassination.” No reason was given for the order, the ambassador said.

Mann told the congressional investigators that he was under the impression that the same “incredible” shut-down order had been given by the CIA to the spy agency’s station chief in Mexico, Winston Scott. In memoirs quietly declassified in the 1990s, after his death, Scott confirmed that he, too, suspected that Oswald was an “agent” of a foreign power who may have been part of a conspiracy to kill Kennedy (though Scott did not suggest that the CIA’s investigation was shut down).

What happened in Mexico City in the weeks before JFK’s murder? It is clear from government files declassified in recent decades that Oswald’s six-day trip to Mexico was never adequately investigated by the CIA, the FBI and the State Department—and, as a result, by the Warren Commission, the panel named by President Lyndon Johnson to investigate the assassination. The question has been raised anew in recent weeks by a surprising source—the Warren Commission’s chief conspiracy hunter. And in fact, lots of evidence has accumulated over the years to suggest that historians, journalists and JFK buffs who are still trying to piece together clues about the president’s murder—whether from the memories of still-living witnesses or in the new tranche of assassination-related documents the National Archives is set to release in two years—would be wise to look to Mexico City.

In the half-century since the commission named for Chief Justice Earl Warren concluded that Oswald was the sole gunman in Dallas and that there was no evidence of a conspiracy, foreign or domestic, it is startling to discover how many credible government officials—beginning with Ambassador Mann and CIA station chief Scott—have suggested that evidence was missed in Mexico that could rewrite the history of the assassination. The list includes the late former FBI Director Clarence Kelley and former FBI Assistant Director William Sullivan, as well as David Belin, a former staff lawyer on the Warren Commission.

Last month, another commission staffer joined their ranks: David Slawson, a retired University of Southern California law professor who, 51 years ago, was the commission’s chief investigator searching for evidence that might have pointed to a foreign conspiracy in JFK’s murder. In interviews for a new edition of my 2013 history of the assassination, Slawson said he is now convinced the commission was the victim of a “massive cover-up” by the CIA and other agencies to hide evidence that might have identified people in Mexico City who knew and encouraged Oswald to carry out his threat when he returned to the United States.

Declassified government records back up Slawson’s suspicion of how much information was withheld in 1964, when senior officials at both the CIA and the FBI assured the commission that there was no evidence in Mexico—or anywhere else—to suggest that Oswald was anything other than a delusional lone wolf. In sworn testimony to the commission, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover insisted that “there was nothing up to the time of the assassination that gave any indication that this man was a dangerous character who might do harm to the president.”

The records declassified decades later tell a very different story, and show just how much evidence about Oswald’s Mexico trip —including CIA tape recordings of wiretaps of Oswald’s phone calls in Mexico—never reached the commission. Although the spy agency assured the commission in 1964 that there were no surveillance photos of Oswald in Mexico, CIA Station Chief Scott, in his memoirs, strongly suggested that there were photos, and other CIA officials later told congressional investigators in the 1970s that they recalled seeing the pictures. CIA and FBI records, meanwhile, show that the agencies never tried to track down or interview key witnesses who had encountered Oswald in Mexico.

Slawson is also convinced that someone blocked him from seeing a top-secret June 1964 letter from Hoover to the commission in which Hoover revealed that Oswald may have openly boasted about his plans—“I’m going to kill Kennedy”—while in Mexico, apparently at the Cuban embassy. Slawson believes the CIA was desperate to shut down any investigation in Mexico City out of fear the Warren Commission might stumble onto evidence of the spy agency’s long-running schemes to murder Fidel Castro. (Mexico City had been a staging area for some of the plots.) Slawson is careful to note that he is not suggesting any sort of far-flung, carefully laid-out conspiracy. For one thing, he notes, Oswald did not get the job he held at the time of the assassination, at the Texas School Book Depository, which was on the president’s motorcade route, until after he had returned to Texas from Mexico in early October 1963; the route itself was not announced until days before JFK’s arrival in Dallas.


TOPICS: Conspiracy; History
KEYWORDS: assassinationplots; conspiracy; conspiracytheory; jfk; jfkassassination; leeharveyoswald; mexico; mexicocity; oswald
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
You need to get a life. Again, remember the old saw,”When any two people know anything in Washington it's a conspiracy’’.You or anyone haven't a single shred of evidence to prove there was a conspiracy.
81 posted on 03/28/2015 10:31:13 AM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
You need to get a life. Again, remember the old saw,”When any two people know anything in Washington it's a conspiracy’’.You or anyone haven't a single shred of evidence to prove there was a conspiracy.
82 posted on 03/28/2015 10:32:00 AM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa
You need to get a life. Again, remember the old saw,”When any two people know anything in Washington it's a conspiracy’’.You or anyone haven't a single shred of evidence to prove there was a conspiracy.

Oh, just direct evidence of more than three bullets, and the House Committee on Assassinations saying it was a conspiracy and Kennedy was hit almost simultaneously by two shots, and the declarations of Johnson's personal attorney McClellan saying Johnson was in on it.

But just go ahead and be a sheep and buy the silly notion of a pristine magic bullet going through two men, wrist bones, and all. After all, men like Lyndon Johnson would never be so low and ruthless to facilitate an assassination would they.

83 posted on 03/28/2015 1:28:38 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Uh huh. And all those involved have kept theirs mouths shut all this time. Uh, huh, yeah, right.


84 posted on 03/28/2015 1:40:13 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa
Uh huh. And all those involved have kept theirs mouths shut all this time. Uh, huh, yeah, right.

Looks to me like no one has kept their mouths shut. Johnson himself said there were others and other motivations, Johnson's Attorney says Johnson was in on it, the Dallas police admit they had one of the shooters and let him go, Johnson's mistress says it was Johnson in on it.

Who has kept their mouth shut?

85 posted on 03/28/2015 11:18:49 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: jmacusa
The House Committee on Assassinations determined it was a conspiracy and that Kennedy was hit by two head shots from two different directions almost simultaneously.

If it was just one shooter, why would they come to this conclusion?

Seems to me they would end the controversy and conclude it was a lone gunman.

86 posted on 03/28/2015 11:23:54 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Who has kept their mouths shut? The guy who shot him— Oswald. You need a life.


87 posted on 03/29/2015 7:57:56 AM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
Oh, it was a conspiracy alright. And said conspiracy existed solely and entirely in the mind of an angry loner named Lee Harvey Oswald. And that conspiracy ended when another angry loner, out of a sense of vigilante justice and a need for recgognitaion named Jack Ruby shot and killed him.
88 posted on 03/29/2015 8:02:11 AM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa

‘cuse me, but you sound awfully *trollish* ~ so to speak ~


89 posted on 03/29/2015 10:45:01 AM PDT by PraiseTheLord (have you seen the fema camps, shackle box cars, thousands of guillotines, stacks of coffins ~)
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To: PraiseTheLord

No and I resent the supposition. I’m just not a conspiracy nut.


90 posted on 03/29/2015 5:45:06 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa
Who has kept their mouths shut? The guy who shot him— Oswald. You need a life.

Get a life? Wow, what a convincing rebuttal. You're such a deep thinker.

91 posted on 04/03/2015 12:09:00 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: jmacusa
Oh, it was a conspiracy alright. And said conspiracy existed solely and entirely in the mind of an angry loner named Lee Harvey Oswald. And that conspiracy ended when another angry loner, out of a sense of vigilante justice and a need for recgognitaion named Jack Ruby shot and killed him.

Ruby a loner? lol I don't think he felt too alone in his strip club(s).

Oh but you are a conspiracy nut. The House Committee on Assassinations found it was multiple shooters and for you to believe it was a lone nut, you must believe that members of the House of Representatives conspired to feed the multiple shooter story to the public. Why did they do that in your mind?

92 posted on 04/03/2015 12:15:27 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

And you’re a one note f**king Willie of a conspiracy nut. You haven’t got a single shred of conclusive proof there was a conspiracy to prove your incessant nonsense and you seem to totally miss the point that if even two people knew of a plot those two people would have told two more people who would have told more and on and on it would go. You can’t think any deeper the scab under a Band-Aid doofuss, now go pester somebody else with your bs. You’re tiresome.


93 posted on 04/03/2015 3:37:54 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
The Warren Commission concluded Oswald acted alone. The fact that you seem singularly obsessed with trying to convince me tells me you're a humorless zealot living in his parents basement. Now piss off
94 posted on 04/03/2015 3:40:18 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa
And you’re a one note f**king Willie of a conspiracy nut.

Unfortunately for you that one note is a detailed government report showing exactly how Kennedy was hit by two shooters! lol

You haven’t got a single shred of conclusive proof there was a conspiracy to prove your incessant nonsense and you seem to totally miss the point that if even two people knew of a plot those two people would have told two more people who would have told more and on and on it would go.

And that story has been told. Johnson himself said there were multiple people and other motivations. Those close to Johnson, his own attorney being one of them, told of Johnson's involvement. People have been coming out of the woodwork since that time but people like you, who close their ears and yell na na na, refuse to listen.

You can’t think any deeper the scab under a Band-Aid doofuss, now go pester somebody else with your bs. You’re tiresome.

Aw, poor baby. Is the truth hurting your little fantasyland of honest government you've created in your mind? lol

95 posted on 04/04/2015 1:04:01 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: jmacusa
The Warren Commission concluded Oswald acted alone. The fact that you seem singularly obsessed with trying to convince me tells me you're a humorless zealot living in his parents basement. Now piss off

House Committee on Assassinations came after the Warren Commission and is the final word on the assassination and is more detailed, and they determined there were multiple shooters.

96 posted on 04/04/2015 1:06:34 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: Partisan Gunslinger
You're obsessed and you've used up the free parking I've given you in my head so here's a news flash— take a hike. I don't want to hear your crazy conspiracy bs anymore., got it?
97 posted on 04/04/2015 2:55:46 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: Partisan Gunslinger

Listen Poindexter, I never said government was honest.And don’t put words in my mouth. You’re single minded obsession with chasing after me is like the smelly, annoying pan handlers I used to have to deal with when I worked in NYC. So here it is, flat out and straight up;; Take a f**king hike and go bother someone else your bs and see how long they put up with it. AM I GETTING THROUGH TO YOU? And here’s something else for you to think about in regards to the Kennedys; My feeling is they didn’t shoot enough of them.


98 posted on 04/04/2015 3:02:13 PM PDT by jmacusa (Liberalism defined: When mom and dad go away for the weekend and the kids are in charge.)
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To: jmacusa
You're obsessed and you've used up the free parking I've given you in my head so here's a news flash— take a hike. I don't want to hear your crazy conspiracy bs anymore., got it?

You're posting on this more than I am. Count the posts on this thread, you have more than I. lol

99 posted on 04/05/2015 2:57:06 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: jmacusa
Listen Poindexter, I never said government was honest.And don’t put words in my mouth. You’re single minded obsession with chasing after me is like the smelly, annoying pan handlers I used to have to deal with when I worked in NYC. So here it is, flat out and straight up;; Take a f**king hike and go bother someone else your bs and see how long they put up with it. AM I GETTING THROUGH TO YOU? And here’s something else for you to think about in regards to the Kennedys; My feeling is they didn’t shoot enough of them.

lol It's important because Johnson is a hero to the liberals for his socialism. It's always a good thing for those who vote for socialism to have a chance to know what scoundrels their leaders are and were.

You're all upset because you know the House Committee on Assassinations has their report conflicting with what you believe but sometimes you just have to face the truth about our government.

100 posted on 04/05/2015 3:02:47 AM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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