[mkleesma]

I too was born in Canada, to an American mother and a Canadian father. Yet when I immigrated to the USA, I was told I was only eligible for a green card. I had to wait 3 years to apply for citizenship.
So, how is Ted’s situation different?

[Star Traveler]

... LOL ... now we’re going to have the BIRTHERS on Free Republic about Cruz!

HEY! I’m not kidding actually ... I’ve already seen a FReeper thread saying Cruz is INELIGIBLE!

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I’m not a BIRTHER ... I thought Obama’s Hawaii Birth Certificate was fine, since the State of Hawaii verified it!

AND don’t bother “beating a dead horse” because ABSOLUTELY NOTHING happened with the BIRTHER issue ... exactly as I said, back in 2008!

[LibFreeUSA]

You’re either a “Natural” or “Naturalized” citizen. One is ‘by birth’ and the other ‘by paperwork’.

[Star Traveler]

I told you so! ... LOL ...

[Leaning Right]

there is no doubt he is an American citizen because his mother is a US citizen

You're most probably right. But the whole idea of the "natural born" clause is to minimize foreign influence on the President. Would a person born in Germany, and presumably raised at least some of the time in Germany, have an innate pro-German bias? I think so, and that would be dangerous.

I sure wish the Founders had been more specific as to what "natural born" really means. IMHO, it should mean born in the USA, to parents both of whom are American citizens.

[JFoobar]

It doesn’t matter what you believe of think you believe. Citizenship isn’t a feeling. Ted needs to have documentation from the State Department saying that he was born a US Citizen. If you are born on a Military base overseas, or diplomatic installation(like McCain) then you are a US Citizen because it is US property(just like an embassy). If you are born in Asscrackistan, Canuckistan to a foreign Citizen, you aren’t a US Citizen.

But none of that matters, because I doubt this Country will last much longer regardless. The experiment is coming to an end. Time to arm up.

[onyx]

ANOTHER THREAD ON SAME SUBJECT TONIGHT!

WARNING TO ALL WHO WANT TO PURSUE CRUZ IS NOT ELEGIBLE

[Maurice Tift]

The founders were familiar with Vattel's The Law of Nations:

  § 212. Of the citizens and naturals.

   “The citizens are the members of the civil society; bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. As the society cannot exist and perpetuate itself otherwise than by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights. The society is supposed to desire this, in consequence of what it owes to its own preservation; and it is presumed, as matter of course, that each citizen, on entering into society, reserves to his children the right of becoming members of it. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens merely by their tacit consent. We shall soon see whether, on their coming to the years of discretion, they may renounce their right, and what they owe to the society in which they were born. I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.”

[WIBamian]

Only Cruz will receive my natural-born vote for President of the United States.

[so_real]

I agree Cruz is a citizen ... by statute. But that does not make him a natural born citizen. Still, consider that George Washington was a British subject -- even fought with the British army against the French -- during his revolutionary times. And, make no mistake about it, these are revolutionary times today. I am a birther. And proud of it because I believe "the Constitution matters". I won't claim Cruz is a natural born citizen because I don't believe he is, given what I was taught and have since learned in my own study of history. But, does that matter at a time when domestic enemies appear to control a considerable portion of government? Ted Cruz is a "General Washington" at a time when the Constitution needs one. The liberals urinated on the Constitution when foisting the current Pres__ent into power. Our Founders would not have turned their backs on a good man like Cruz during their day, and neither will I during mine. This is a revolution, after all. May it be bloodless, and may we be victorious. Given Cruz's deep respect for the Constitution, I've long suspected he would not run for President, that he would be a king-maker instead of a king himself. It may be that I am wrong. I pray God grants Cruz a healthy measure of His wisdom, because I will support and defend Cruz in his final decision one way or the other.

[Robert357]

Isn't this all moot, based on our
Kenyan born president to a US mother illegally married to a polygamous foreign national and John McCain’s Panama birth

[wkg]

If you have to ask, then you are not Natural Born.

[snoringbear]

“Now picture a female American soldier stationed in, say, Germany. She gives birth to a boy. The boy was not born in CONUS, but there is no doubt he is an American citizen because his mother is a US citizen.”

Author did not state in his example or scenario whether or not subject was born on a U.S. military base. Overseas military bases, as embassies are considered to be US soil. My example is John McCain, born in a U.S. military hospital in the Panama Canal Zone, thereby eligible to run for POTUS.

[MosesKnows]

There is nothing in the Constutution, to my knowledge stating that Cruz would not be eligible to be POTUS based on the circumstances of his birth.

That is true. However, there is something in the Constitution that causes Ted Cruz to be ineligible to seek the office of president.

There is nothing in the Constitution that says the people cannot elect Ted Cruz but there is something in the Constitution that says Ted Cruz can’t run for president.

Does that sound confusing?

Ted Cruz is over 35 years of age but is not natural born. Natural born does not refer to Ted Cruz’s birth. Natural born refers to his parent’s birth, both parents. The founders added these words in the Constitution applicable onlyto the president but not applicable to Congress.

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

Making the effort to understand the issues the founders were trying to avoid by adding that restriction to presidential candidates but not to congressional candidates will relieve some of the confusion.

[TexasVoter]

The Constitution distinguishes between Citizen and natural born Citizen, in the very eligibility requirements for POTUS in Article II, Section 1. This is a fundamental national security provision of the highest law in the land and there is no provision for ignoring the distinction.

Ted Cruz is well aware of this distinction and does not claim to be a NBC. He passively allows low-information voters to recognize the difference - or not. This tactic worked fine for Obama.

Every US President born after Ratification (a salient point; see Art. II, Sec. 1) was born in the US to two citizen parents, except for two:

1. Chester A. Arthur, who lied about his citizenship status and burned his vital records just prior to his death.

2. Barack Hussien Obama, who claimed for at least 16 years that he was born in Kenya until two months after he launched his 2008 POTUS campaign.

Now Bobby Jindal, Ted Cruz, and Marco Rubio feel at liberty to further erode the law of the land. Is there no statesman willing to honor their oath of office to defend the US Constitution?

[onyx]

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