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How having more stuff is eating up all the gains from being more efficient (Energy useage)
Mother Nature Network ^ | 2-13-2015 | Lloyd Alter

Posted on 02/22/2015 11:53:50 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

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21 posted on 02/22/2015 1:01:31 PM PST by publius911 (Formerly Publius6961)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I’ve studied alternative energy for a few years. Some of the real culprits:

Air conditioners, of course

Forced air furnaces (electric motors)

Electric ranges

Dishwashers (long run time, water heating elements because of anti-scald valve regulations)

Electric clothes dryers

Electric coffee makers (warmers)

Having refrigerators next to cooking ranges (stupid design)

It’s not the LEDs, which will provide as much light as equivalent florescent lights for about a third of the wattage.

Some of the newer clothes washers aren’t bad (short duration of use and less wattage, short duration means fewer watt-hours).

Refrigerators and freezers with much more insulation are more efficient but overly expensive and require freight delivery from distant vendors.

Microwaves (not too bad, if only run for short duration cooking and without browning elements, the key being short duration cooking)


22 posted on 02/22/2015 1:02:53 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: SamAdams76
Al Gore's 20 room California mansion:

Al Gore's Tennesee home:


23 posted on 02/22/2015 1:05:27 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: Covenantor
"Thank you for posting the link to Marching Morons."

You're most welcome! Behold the genius in the consumer choices of our bipartisan, government-paid leaders in business, politics and academia. They're the only ones buying the disposable junk along with the myth of sustainability of an economy running on recirculating debt.

America’s best-selling cars and trucks are built on lies: The rise of fake engine noise
Washington Post ^ | January 21, 2015 | Drew Harwell
"Stomp on the gas in a new Ford Mustang or F-150 and you’ll hear a meaty, throaty rumble...It’s a sham. The engine growl in some of America’s best-selling cars and trucks is actually a finely tuned bit of lip-syncing, boosted through special pipes or digitally faked altogether...Fake engine noise has become one of the auto industry’s dirty little secrets, with automakers from BMW to Volkswagen turning to a sound-boosting bag of tricks...“Enhanced” engine songs have become the signature of eerily quiet electrics like the Toyota Prius...For the 2015 Mustang EcoBoost, Ford sound engineers and developers worked on an “Active Noise Control” system that amplifies the engine’s purr through the car speakers. Afterwards, the automaker surveyed members of Mustang fan clubs on which processed “sound concepts” they most enjoyed."


24 posted on 02/22/2015 1:15:44 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Fast desktop computers use many watt-hours, if they’re turned on much. I use a computer that consumes very little power.


25 posted on 02/22/2015 1:19:57 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Covenantor
Regarding my previous comment,...

The Marching Morons
By C. M. Kornbluth
http://www.gutenberg.ca/ebooks/kornbluthcm-marchingmorons/kornbluthcm-marchingmorons-00-e.html

Excerpts:
His car was waiting on the concrete. It was, like all contemporary cars, too low-slung...He climbed down into the car and started the motor with a tremendous sparkle and roar.
...
He climbed down into the car and it whooshed off with much flame and noise.
...
Barlow surveyed it with awe. Swept-back lines, deep-drawn compound curves, kilograms of chrome. He ran his hands futilely over the door—or was it the door?—in a futile search for a handle, and asked respectfully, "How fast does it go?"

The psychist gave him a keen look and said slowly, "Two hundred and fifty. You can tell by the speedometer."
...
He was shut up as the car pulled out from the bay into the road with a great voo-ooo-ooom! A gale roared past Barlow's head, though the windows seemed to be closed; the impression of speed was terrific. He located the speedometer on the dashboard and saw it climb past 90, 100, 150, 200.
...
They seemed to be traveling so slowly, if you ignored the roaring air past your ears and didn't let the speedy lines of the dreamboats fool you. He would have sworn they were really crawling along at twenty-five, with occasional spurts up to thirty.
...
Screamingly sweet blasts of sound surrounded them as they stopped for a red light. "What the hell is going on here?" said Barlow in a shrill, frightened voice, because the braking time was just about zero, he wasn't hurled against the dashboard. "Who's kidding who?"

"Why, what's the matter?" demanded the driver.

The light changed to green and he started the pickup. Barlow stiffened as he realized that the rush of air past his ears began just a brief, unreal split-second before the car was actually moving. He grabbed for the door handle on his side.


[familyop: we're way overdue for the vacations to Venus. Get those private space travel companies going!]


26 posted on 02/22/2015 1:24:02 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: samtheman
His graph of energy consumption is correct. However, he fails to address the issue of increase in population from 1993 to 2009. On a per capita basis we use about 13% less energy.

I think it was Mark Twain that said, “There are liars, damn liars, and statisticians.”

27 posted on 02/22/2015 1:26:55 PM PST by cpdiii (DECKHAND, ROUGHNECK, GEOLOGIST, PILOT, PHARMACIST, LIBERTARIAN The Constitution is worth dying for.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
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28 posted on 02/22/2015 1:44:14 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

$1000 Solar Water Heater —Overview
http://www.builditsolar.com/Experimental/PEXColDHW/Overview.htm


29 posted on 02/22/2015 1:45:44 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

That is exactly the passage that has stuck in my mind since reading the first published version.

Thanks again.


30 posted on 02/22/2015 1:51:32 PM PST by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Final goal: We are all living in 350 sq ft apts in the city. No thanks. BS is BS.


31 posted on 02/22/2015 1:56:35 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: samtheman
And I bet this schmuck uses more energy than I do, by the way.

Well of course, he's "entitled" to it because he loves Gaia. You're just a peon.

32 posted on 02/22/2015 1:59:58 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, convict, deport)
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To: SamAdams76
I'm willing to bet that all of these liberals have large homes with lots of energy-consuming appliances.

Well of course they do. The ruling class is not bound by the limitations they wish to impose on us.

33 posted on 02/22/2015 2:01:49 PM PST by nascarnation (Impeach, convict, deport)
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To: unixfox
It's called PROGRESS. Something MARXISTS/COMMUNISTS/LIBERALS can't embrace.

Ironic, isn't it, considering they call themselves PROGRESSives.

34 posted on 02/22/2015 2:53:03 PM PST by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a' white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: nascarnation
"Well of course they do. The ruling class is not bound by the limitations they wish to impose on us."

I like it.

Reminds me of Johnny Cash: "They're probably drinking coffee and smoking big cigars..."

But no "wasteful, plugged in all the time" coffee makers for the little people, and cigars?

No, that's only for our social betters, like Clinton and Obama.

35 posted on 02/22/2015 2:59:50 PM PST by boop (Hey, stoop, that's got gears. It ain't no Ford.)
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To: thackney

My own theory is that energy demand is very elastic. Meaning that the cheaper energy is —the more people use it. This author has a variation of that idea based on efficiency. The more efficient energy consumption is —the more it is used...for, say, other purposes.


36 posted on 02/22/2015 3:07:35 PM PST by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer
My own theory is that energy demand is very elastic.

I don't see any reality to that theory. When gasoline prices drop 40~50%, in several months, gasoline consumption only rises a little.

Over years yes. But sudden price changes have NEVER lead to sudden changes in consumption or supply.

When natural gas or electricity is cheap, people don't greatly change their thermostat settings. They may move it from conservative settings to more comfortable, but they don't make large changes in their consumption. It may help justify the next home to be larger, but it doesn't make a large quick change in their consumption.

37 posted on 02/22/2015 3:37:07 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Over years yes. But sudden price changes have NEVER lead to sudden changes in consumption or supply.
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Agree. Over years yes but not immediately.

imho lower gas prices on the top line act as a tax cut and on the bottom line increase the productivity of workers and the profitability of everyone for whom gas prices are cost of business—which is a good chunk of the economy.

The reason that the US economy is not crashing because of the crash in oil prices is that .... -— while investment and employment in the oil patch is crashing—suddenly consumers and business in the rest of the US economy have more money in their pockets to spend on other stuff.

This over time this will translate into higher demand for oil but not immediately.


38 posted on 02/22/2015 4:36:05 PM PST by ckilmer (q)
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To: ckilmer
Over years

That is why it is called an inelastic market. It takes years of price change to see the result of price changes. In the oil market, usually the price changes back before the final result of a price change can be seen.

It is not like a spike in beef prices where many would just by chicken or pork that week. It takes significant time for consumers to significantly change the amount of fuel they use.

39 posted on 02/22/2015 5:06:12 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ckilmer

This is a good basic article to describe and compare elastic and inelastic markets.

http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/7019/economics/examples-of-elasticity/

The economic term “inelastic” does not mean it never moves, but demand/supply is slow to move relative to price changes.


40 posted on 02/22/2015 5:14:44 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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