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The vases showed they were made by a Messalla's slave. Indeed they were stamped with the Latin inscription "Hermia Va(leri) (M)arci s(ervus) fecit," meaning "Made by Hermias, slave of Marcus Valerius." [Laura Pagliantini]

Laura Pagliantini

1 posted on 02/19/2015 1:12:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv
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While Ben-Hur was a fictional villain

I thought Ben-Hur was the good guy? Or am I reading the article wrong?
3 posted on 02/19/2015 1:14:42 PM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (Democrats: The perfect party for the helpless and stupid, and those who would rule over them.)
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Can I lease it over Easter weekend?


4 posted on 02/19/2015 1:15:04 PM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: SunkenCiv

I thought that Ben Hur was the Hero of the book and that Marsella was the villian, not the reverse.


6 posted on 02/19/2015 1:15:49 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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Ben-Hur’s rival, I have on good authority, was named

Ben-Hym.


7 posted on 02/19/2015 1:16:03 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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I thought Ben Hur’s friend was Ben Him and their rival was Ben Gay!


8 posted on 02/19/2015 1:16:09 PM PST by MHT (,)
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Between 1,300 and 1,500 liters of wine is roughly 344 to 400 gallons. That's enough of a keg party to do any frat house proud.

And in just one vase.

12 posted on 02/19/2015 1:17:53 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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16 posted on 02/19/2015 1:19:58 PM PST by skinkinthegrass ("Any girl can be glamorous. All you have to do is stand still and look stupid." Hedy Lamarr)
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and a commander at the battle of Actium in 31 B.C., fighting for Octavian against the forces of Mark Antony and Cleopatra.

Which means he would have been in his 80s or older around the time of the death of Christ, when Ben Hur takes place.

18 posted on 02/19/2015 1:21:19 PM PST by Hugin ("Do yourself a favor--first thing, get a firearm!",)
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A nice little fixer-upper.


21 posted on 02/19/2015 1:24:17 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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>> While Ben-Hur was a fictional villain ... <<

Uh, Judah Ben Hur was the good guy.


23 posted on 02/19/2015 1:25:57 PM PST by dangus
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26 posted on 02/19/2015 1:32:47 PM PST by sauropod (Fat Bottomed Girl: "What difference, at this point, does it make?")
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Corvinus? Wasn't that the name of the original Vampire in the OtherWorld series.


28 posted on 02/19/2015 1:37:18 PM PST by DannyTN
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“The vases showed they were made by a Messalla’s slave. Indeed they were stamped with the Latin inscription “Hermia Va(leri) (M)arci s(ervus) fecit,” meaning “Made by Hermias, slave of Marcus Valerius.” [Laura Pagliantini]”

Messalla = Body Mortgager, Exempt One

Hermia = Mortgage Exchange, Stamped and Registered.

Human Trafficking trading.

Note: today on the Worldwide EXCHANGE, it was noted that because the Euro yields so low that the pension funds will have to move out of Europe and go globally elsewhere for sufficient returns.....Guess where, and how the U.S. is using for securing.......Body Mortgage EXCHANGE.


37 posted on 02/19/2015 1:50:05 PM PST by Varsity Flight (Extortion-Care is is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager)
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Messalla, of course, was the "bad guy," the boyhood friend and eventual betrayer of Judah Ben Hur in General Lew Wallace's "Tale of the Christ."

Ben-Hur: A Tale of the Christ

There is nothing to indicate any connection between this Messalla, a Roman family name, and the fictional friend of the equally fictional "Prince of Hur."

General Wallace's 1880 book is on my shortlist of books from the era I look forward to reading soon, though I'm hip deep in the prose of Henry James at the moment. I happened on this information after watching the 1959 remake, earlier this week on TCM.

Very reluctantly, I have to agree the chariot race in the Frances X. Bushman-starring silent was better staged (on the same set).

I know everyone will be happy as a clam to learn that yet another remake is being filmed as we think over these things, to be released in 2016. Morgan Freeman has been cast to play Sheik Ilderim.

More encouraging, I have to think, is that the big-budget big production team includes Mark Burnett and Roma Downey (who also made the recent miniseries The Bible). Hopefully they will not include a silent, faceless Christ, more in line with General Wallace's Tale.

Starring as Ben Hur will be John Huston's grandson Jack.

Down Eros, Up Mars!

40 posted on 02/19/2015 1:59:19 PM PST by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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Each vase could hold between 1,300 and 1,500 liters of wine.

I'm wondering about the kiln that fired those things!
42 posted on 02/19/2015 2:02:54 PM PST by Ellendra (People who kill without reason cannot be reasoned with.)
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Its good Lew Wallace could write. He took a day and a half to find an active battlefield with over a hundred thousand men trying to kill each other.


43 posted on 02/19/2015 2:09:59 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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There is a 2014 Ben-Hur movie??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoEtt0MFT60

There are also (legal) clips of the 1959 version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIC284e0AuE

It’s a good story, and the older version is a great movie. I’ll be interested in seeing what they learn over time from this villa, besides that wealthy Romans did some serious drinking.


44 posted on 02/19/2015 2:45:23 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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I'm related to Francis X. Bushman who played Mesalla in the silent version of Ben Hur.

I didn't get his looks or physique...

49 posted on 02/19/2015 2:57:43 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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Victor Davis Hanson, whose writings frequently appear on this site, has argued that Ben-Hur is really about the Battle of Shiloh in 1862, in which the author took part.
53 posted on 02/19/2015 3:10:43 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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Ben Hur - starring John Candy in the title role;
( 24 minutes )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK4uTmwPC5o


55 posted on 02/19/2015 3:42:37 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (Liberals make unrealistic demands on reality and reality doesn't oblige them.)
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