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NFL employee handed kicking game ball to Patriots' locker room attendant [Hmm...Brian Williams?]
ESPN ^ | Feb. 19, 2015

Posted on 02/19/2015 4:54:08 AM PST by Colofornian

The unapproved kicking ball that sources told "Outside the Lines" that a Gillette Stadium officials' locker room attendant tried to introduce into the AFC Championship Game was handed to the man by an NFL employee, a source told ESPN's Adam Schefter on Wednesday.

(Excerpt) Read more at espn.go.com ...


TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: football; newenglandpatriots; nflemployee; petecarrollisadouche; referee
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To: Gay State Conservative

I still don’t get it. How does this article make it so they are owed an apology for cheating?


21 posted on 02/19/2015 5:43:45 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Of course they are all Jets, Giants, Yankees, Knicks and Rangers fans. Most of the main stream media live in the NYC area and they are biased towards the hometown team.

It is only natural. It is no different than us hating the Yankees. We don’t hate Jeter(at least I don’t). We respect him. However, we do all hate ARod. However, even most Yankee fans hate ARod.


22 posted on 02/19/2015 5:46:25 AM PST by woodbutcher1963
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To: WinMod70; Cletus.D.Yokel; All
Do you really want to hang your hat on “shot up 3%”? There are many variables in the game of football, the most significant are talent and preparation.

Well, 3% is the annual average of "Brady betterment"...and it's really "only" 3% because Brady had some down years 2012 and 2013.

In 2000 thru 2006 -- which included a couple of Super Bowl teams, mind you -- Brady was completing 60, 61, 62, 63%. Brady was ALREADY a good QB.

So...'06 he completed 61.8%. Suddenly it's 68.9% the next season ... where one of the few variables is that Brady has new Patriot-minted footballs to operate with...

Now a 7.1% completion % improvement = sudden 11.5% upturn...If you're earning $61,800 per year and then get a raise to $68,900 the very next year...your boss has given you an 11.5% raise over the previous year.

11.5%!!! In a season where the Pats ALSO -- just as suddenly -- essentially stopped fumbling!

That...is quite dramatic! No gradual improvement there! (Something you'd expect from already high-quality Qs)

And then even coming off of an injury in '08, Brady had completion % higher in 09, 10, 11 than any of 00-06 (same with 2014, btw):

09: 65.7%
10: 65.9%
11: 65.6%

You portend that the only change in the history of Patriots football is the ball. Really?

You ask a very good Q here...for my response, see my next post to Cletus D. Yokel...

23 posted on 02/19/2015 5:55:49 AM PST by Colofornian (When the Truth can hurt you, you do everything you can to keep the Truth from light of day...)
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To: for-q-clinton; Gay State Conservative; All
How does this article make it so they are owed an apology for cheating?

Somebody posted an FR article yesterday mentioning that the NFL ref was "suspicious" because he was given a ball at halftime by a Pat employee who wasn't normally involved in handling footballs.

So it raised a "chapter II" of deflategate.

Now if this guy was only "involved" because an NFL employee handed him the ball, it makes sense...and there's nothing "sinister" or "conspiracy" about this new "chapter II."

But...you're right re: the overall scandal...nothing has changed about deflategate.

24 posted on 02/19/2015 5:59:06 AM PST by Colofornian (When the Truth can hurt you, you do everything you can to keep the Truth from light of day...)
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel; WinMod70; All
Yeah, on the surface it looks suspicious but an increase in completions has 2 integral parts. (1) accuracy by the QB. Is there a question regarding this by Brady? Nope.

#1...Brady led the Pats to Super Bowl championships in 2002, 2004, and 2005...so we're not talking about some young QB with "potential" here making a sudden market improvement...
...we're talking about a great QB suddenly getting out-of-this-world better!

(2) Receivers not having “bricks for hands”. Has that improved over your time-frame? Yep.

You know, when I first saw the fumble story...that the Pats suddenly went from a fumble every 42 touches (2000-2006) to a fumble every 74 touches (2007-2014)...and that latter stat was year in, year out success...I said..."ya know, if they were suddenly doing that...then it would also show in Brady's % of completions...because if it was the football that was helping Pat RB hold onto the ball suddenly, then it would carry across the board to the receivers in holding onto passes...Looked at the stats, and sure enough...confirmation present...

25 posted on 02/19/2015 6:05:31 AM PST by Colofornian (When the Truth can hurt you, you do everything you can to keep the Truth from light of day...)
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To: Colofornian

The original deflategate ‘facts’ are as bogus as the Patriot employee ‘facts’ in the last couple days.


26 posted on 02/19/2015 6:14:40 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Gay State Conservative

At least the little league has standards still: http://downtrend.com/71superb/jesse-jackson-alert-cheating-black-little-league-team-losing-their-title-is-racist

NFL should learn from the little league and vacate all wins from the cheaters in seasons they cheated.


27 posted on 02/19/2015 6:38:34 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Colofornian

You are truly an idiot hmm I wonder if bradys improvement in 2007 had anything to do with having randy moss as a receiver? Instead of the non hall of fame receivers he had before. I know you have to believe the patriots cheated cause the alternative is to admit that your team just sucks.


28 posted on 02/19/2015 7:13:01 AM PST by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: W.

Not really. If these “leaks” are true (note most of our leaks previous were not) it’s showing the league discipline around balls is seriously lacking, and that it’s most likely the refs who just plain flubbed it and let under inflated balls into the game.


29 posted on 02/19/2015 7:17:22 AM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: Colofornian

What’s so shocking about that? The whole reason numerous QBs lobbied the NFL to give them more control over the balls the teams used was to give the QBs the kind of balls the liked to play with. So yes, the rule had the benefit they TOLD the competition committee it would have.

And that fumble thing has been totally debunked multiple times. It’s just bad math and stupid thinking. Really, some folks just need to get over it.


30 posted on 02/19/2015 7:21:09 AM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: discostu

BTW the only ball that was two pounds under was the ball the colts had unsupervised possession of.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-only-one-pats-football-was-badly-underinflated/ar-AA8S9L1


31 posted on 02/19/2015 7:28:33 AM PST by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: for-q-clinton

It shows that crew wasn’t doing a particularly good job controlling the balls. Coupled with other leaks (like being no record of the PSIs from the pre-game inspection, and the half time measurements not being nearly as bad as the initial leak) it’s looking like if the balls were under-inflated they were submitted to the refs that way and not caught. Which really isn’t on the Pats, that’s what the inspection process is for, so all the “cheating” talk becomes extra silly.


32 posted on 02/19/2015 7:44:31 AM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: discostu

Knowingly giving a deflated ball as your game ball is cheating. Taking advantage of a weak inspection system doesn’t make it any less cheating.

That’s like saying if you can sneak a bomb on a plane it’s the TSA’s fault and you’re ok because they were supposed to stop you.


33 posted on 02/19/2015 8:14:32 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

No more so than knowingly holding a guy at the line. There’s a reason the inspection happens, they’re supposed to catch this. Of course we know from interviews Aaron Rodgers has given that they don’t always catch it (he’s said he likes his over inflated, submits them that way, and gets annoyed when they let air out), notice nobody whines about him being a cheater even though he’s outright said he breaks this rule. Also keep in mind the latest leaks (so at least as unsubstantiated as the original leaks) is that 1 ball was close to 2 pounds under and the rest were just a bit under.

It’s nothing like sneaking a bomb on a plane. That’s intended to kill people. This is a game. Nobody gets killed.


34 posted on 02/19/2015 8:19:24 AM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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To: discostu

What’s the penalty for sneaking an illegal football on to the field and using it during the game? See...it’s not like holding at the line. It’s cheating.

Just like what’s the penalty for capturing the other teams plays by hacking the wireless system?

Patriots are cheaters...that’s a proven fact.


35 posted on 02/19/2015 8:31:46 AM PST by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Colofornian

bttt


36 posted on 02/19/2015 8:36:38 AM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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37 posted on 02/19/2015 8:36:56 AM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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To: for-q-clinton

They didn’t sneak anything on the field. The evidence we have is they submitted the balls to the refs, and the refs said they were OK, and those balls were used. Had they “sneaked” the penalty ranges from a stern letter from the league (happened to the Vikings and Panthers earlier in the season when they were caught heating the balls on the sideline) to a fine of fairly negligible amount.

Nobody has caught them hacking anything.

They got busted a long time ago for violating a stupid rule the league didn’t even need and immediately post dated when they changed the rules to allow the defense a radio. People need to get over it.


38 posted on 02/19/2015 8:41:03 AM PST by discostu (The albatross begins with its vengeance A terrible curse a thirst has begun)
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39 posted on 02/19/2015 9:02:50 AM PST by timestax (American Media = Domestic Enemy)
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To: grania

He’s already been shown the fumble statistics in the article are a mixture of cherry picking and junk. He’s just trolling.


40 posted on 02/19/2015 9:47:47 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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