Strong cannabis causes one in four cases of psychosis

Daily Mail ^ | February 15, 2015 | DAILY MAIL REPORTER

[MeshugeMikey]

Full Title: Strong cannabis causes one in four cases of psychosis: Users three times more likely to have an episode than those who have never tried it ªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªªª As many as a quarter of new cases of psychotic mental illness can be blamed on super-strength strains of cannabis, scientists will warn this week. The potent form of the drug – known as ‘skunk’ – is so powerful that users are three times more likely to have a psychotic episode than those who have never tried it.

[DiogenesLamp]

It was only horrifically negligent at several levels.

Horrifically negligent is a long ways away from deliberate intent. But I notice none of you seem to go find poster boys for other "Horrifically Negligent" incidents because these do not support your DRUG ADVOCACY?

What about that little boy that was shot down in Cleveland because he was waving a toy gun around? Why don't you dopers wail and moan about him?

Because regular incidents of police incompetence/negligence do not push your legalize drug agenda, and so therefore they are of no use to you.

If you can't link it to the "war on drugs" you aren't interested in Police abuse.

[wardaddy]

It’s temporary but this is oddly one area I agree with the pot hysteria folk

Very potent weed in many forms can freak out those new to it or suseptible similar but not quite as bad as acid once did in its heyday

Good pot today runs 15-25% THC and higher in concentrated forms

Most folks simply smoke less though I know plenty acclimated folks who can only get so high off leaf regardless

Oils or edibles are the most culpable to cause panic attacks which is more or less what’s initiated

Observing this for 45 years now my experience is fragile folks and women who tend to fear easier in general are most prone

For those who must....keep Xanax or booze handy

Both will soothe the unease or panic

Rare is too much pot a worthy hospital visit but with edibles and oils today I can see it

I hate to see pot become a test drug like this

We had LSD for that

I do recommend LSD to most folks ...,emphatically

Exponentially emphatically

It’s an ecclesiastical intoxicant.... only for a resolute brain

[ConservingFreedom]

What about that little boy that was shot down in Cleveland because he was waving a toy gun around? Why don't you dopers wail and moan about him?

I'm not aware of a substantial FR contingent justifying police incompetence/negligence in non-drug-related cases.

[Ken H]

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, but you are still scum for trying to make us responsible for that injured child.

Struck a nerve, did I? You offered to take responsibility for the burned toddler =>

I'll take responsibility for that poor injured child when *YOU* take responsibility for the millions dead and disabled because of drug addiction.

I do not offer take responsibility for something if I believe I am not responsible. I am not responsible for what adults do to themselves. For example, I believe citizens have a right to own a gun. I do not offer to take responsibility when a citizen commits suicide or murder, regardless of what the offer is contingent upon.

However, your offer to take responsibility reveals a guilty conscience.

[dragnet2]

I don't think there is anything left to discuss with Mr. lamp, after he stated he wanted people killed who sold pot.

I think he/she is becoming agitated. After comments such as these, I don't think this individual should be in an agitated state.

I've read enough....Cheers!

[DiogenesLamp]

Wait a minute here, you just implied or suggested above that it was pot which made the ding kill sniper guy?

I certainly think it was a primary factor, if not *THE* primary factor.

It made this guy kill his wife.

It made this guy jump off a roof.

It seems to be part of the lives of virtually every nutbag that kills people in a rampage nowadays, so yeah, it is perfectly within the realm of possibility that this latest nutburger owes some of his psychosis to the fact that he smokes marijuana.

[DiogenesLamp]

LOL....

I doubt it is worth the trouble to point out to you that the government of China grew till it took over everything, and this was because of *NOT* having a war on drugs.

When anarchy reigns, the people will always demand a strong man to restore order. This ALWAYS results in a massive growth in government. Always.

[DiogenesLamp]

I am not going to enable your lie that this is only a matter of adults harming themselves. I categorically reject your false premise, and I will not argue on any basis that presumes it as true.

If nobody else was being harmed, we would not be now having this discussion.

Drugs harm people beyond just the users. And it happens often.

[ConservingFreedom]

I am not going to enable your lie that this is only a matter of adults harming themselves.

That's all you posted pictures of.

So enough adults saved from harming others can justify harm inflicted by government on an innocent toddler?

[DiogenesLamp]

Obviously, you stated you want them killed.

No, I didn't, but as with comparing dope to coffee (they are both "drugs" you see) you are once again attempting to speak for me through your strawman tactic.

Over the years we have allowed too many pot dealers to slide to start killing them now. We should have given them fair warning back in the 60s, and ramped up the punishment until they got the message. For Meth, Crack, Heroine, and so on, they just need to get executed.

Despite it's bad consequences, pot is a lesser drug, and does not rise to the damage caused by the others. At least not yet. I expect it to make up for in volume what it can't yet do in potency.

[DiogenesLamp]

No, they made a mistake when they wrote that, it is *YOU* who are deliberately striving to mislead.

[ConservingFreedom]

Drugs harm people beyond just the users. And it happens often.

Every instance in which it doesn't happen undermines your premise that it's the drugs doing the harm.

[DiogenesLamp]

Most folks simply smoke less though I know plenty acclimated folks who can only get so high off leaf regardless

And this is a point that is sadly omitted from every discussion involving weed. People's tolerance for, and reaction to it, are different.

Some people can tolerate it fine, and others it damages.

There is some basis for making it a prescription product, but none for making it legally available to anyone.

[ConservingFreedom]

The DEA says, "In 1880 [...] there were over 400,000 opium addicts in the U.S. [...] By 1900, about one American in 200 was either a cocaine or opium addict." (http://web.archive.org/web/20110529221013/http://www.justice.gov/dea/demand/speakout/06so.htm) 400,000 in a population of 50M is one in 125 - ergo, between 1880 and 1900 addiction declined. Nonetheless, in textbook Drug Warrior fashion, they claim, " Addiction skyrocketed." Hilarious!

This is exactly what I mean when I say it is a waste of time to look at any of your links. They are always a deliberate effort to mislead.

I agree that the DEA deliberately strives to mislead. (Good thing for the cause of freedom that they're so bad at it.)

No, they made a mistake when they wrote that,

What "mistake"? Giving the actual data rather than just their self-serving misconclusion?

it is *YOU* who are deliberately striving to mislead.

By quoting the DEA?

[DiogenesLamp]

Struck a nerve, did I? You offered to take responsibility for the burned toddler =>

Struck a nerve my @$$. Just exhibited unmitigated chutzpah in making accusations is all. Identified yourself as a dishonest and unworthy debater is all.

I am not responsible for what adults do to themselves.

Did you see the earlier post about the adult murdering his 2 year old boy with a demolition tool because he got high on some strong weed? Do you have no idea how many cases there are of people abusing/abandoning children as a result of their usage of drugs? Here's another one.

I utterly reject that old Libertarian saw that this is just a case of adults harming themselves. No, it is not. Somebody has to pay the bill for these people, and that in and of itself constitutes a recurring harm to others.

However, your offer to take responsibility reveals a guilty conscience.

I have no guilty conscience over that incident whatsoever. The child was just in an unfortunate situation brought on by being born to dope smoking/dealing parents. If anyone is to blame for that child getting injured by the police, it is the dope smoking parents that behaved in such a way as to attract police attention.

Once again, you libertarians are trying to shift blame away from where it belongs. It belongs with the dope smokers, not the police, though the police could have handled the event more competently.

[DiogenesLamp]

I don't think there is anything left to discuss with Mr. lamp, after he stated he wanted people killed who sold pot.

You didn't want to have a discussion in the first place, you wanted to express your outrage that anyone dared to tell you to put down the f***ing bong, and that you didn't have a "right" to smoke it.

You aren't here for illumination, you are here to push your agenda of legalized dope.

Before this is over, I expect you may very well get your wish, and it will work out about as well as dope smoking Obama has.

[DiogenesLamp]

That's all you posted pictures of.

So enough adults saved from harming others can justify harm inflicted by government on an innocent toddler?

There are no pictures of which I am aware of that dead baby from those dope smoking parents. That does not make his murder any less objectionable, it's just that we can't show the evidence of it because the images are not released.

I also don't have any images of that 2 year old boy who was bludgeoned to death by his father after consuming some marijuana, but the earlier poster was helpful enough to post a link to his incarceration data.

I have to work with what is available, even though what is not available is far more horrific.

[DiogenesLamp]

Every instance in which it doesn't happen undermines your premise that it's the drugs doing the harm.

Yes, bullets fired into the air which don't harm anyone, proves that it is harmless to fire bullets into the air.

You need to put down the bong and dry out for awhile. Your logic is terrible.

[Ken H]

Well look at this. Here's another figure that is in line with those DEA estimates =>

The Institute of Medicine estimated that by 1900, perhaps 300,000 Americans were addicted to opiates.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/international/question-2-what-history-opioid-addiction-in-united-states

Now, 300,000 addicts in 1900 is less than the 400,000 in 1880. So according to the heroes in charge of Fighting Drugs, addiction was declining by 1900.

[ConservingFreedom]

Somebody has to pay the bill for these people

Says who?

The child was just in an unfortunate situation brought on by being born to dope smoking/dealing parents.

The parents were never accused of anything; parents and child were staying in a home whose owner was fingered by an informant - though no drugs were found on him or in his home. Is there anyone else you'd care to baselessly slur in this matter?