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To: Zeneta

Vacuum .. is created by lifting the gas pedal as the engine starts to suck.

It was originally used as free energy to assist in shifting an automatic transmission.

Why a “vacuum pump” is needed for braking is beyond me. Power brakes as well as power steering came from “positive” energy.
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Yes you get vacuum when you lift or operate at part throttle... when you are at a “track day” event you may not be off the throttle long enough to build vacuum especially with a supercharged engine. If you are “two pedaling” the car (never letting off the gas and just using the brakes to settle the chassis entering a corner) you will not have vacuum.. or to put it into a “street” scenario ,, you’re charging up a mountain road where you never let off the gas and are in a positive boost scenario...

Engine vacuum was used as a trigger to shift automatic transmissions (the vacuum modulator) but the transmissions all worked off of HYDRAULIC pressure generated internally, engine vacuum was just an indicator of throttle position and engine load. The vacuum modulator operated a hydraulic valve back in the analog control days and altered preset shift points (determined by pressure) to match engine load ,, now we use sensors for RPM , throttle position and “map” sensors and such to operate electrical actuators within the transmissions.

Vacuum is vacuum no matter if it is a engine pumping against a partially closed throttle or it is a vane type air pump run off of a cam chain..


125 posted on 02/10/2015 2:18:49 PM PST by Neidermeyer ("Our courts should not be collection agencies for crooks." — John Waihee, Governor of Hawaii, 1986-)
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To: Neidermeyer
to build vacuum especially with a supercharged engine.

"Boost" engines don't have usable vacuum.

134 posted on 02/10/2015 2:57:53 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans Freed the Slaves Month")
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To: Neidermeyer

Yes you get vacuum when you lift or operate at part throttle... when you are at a “track day” event you may not be off the throttle long enough to build vacuum especially with a supercharged engine. If you are “two pedaling” the car (never letting off the gas and just using the brakes to settle the chassis entering a corner) you will not have vacuum.. or to put it into a “street” scenario ,, you’re charging up a mountain road where you never let off the gas and are in a positive boost scenario..


It’s been some time since I had a vehicle that preformed the way I wanted running “full throttle”.

Two peddling is a given since you need to maintain RPMS while setting or shifting weight for cornering.

I’ve always used my left foot for braking and have no idea why kids are taught “not” to use their left foot.

There have been soo many cases where people thought they where stomping on the “Brake” when in fact they where on the gas. Sudden acceleration syndrome, it nearly bankrupted Audi and Toyota more recently.

Sadly, most people don’t understand “how” an automatic transmission works. There is that little thing called “Stall speed”.

At the end of the day I wish that automakers would move away from the complexity they have engineered into everything and get back to a few basics. It seems to me that they do this as to keep control over both maintenance and repair.


135 posted on 02/11/2015 5:54:12 PM PST by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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