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Abolish West Point — And The Other Service Academies, Too [ISIS Agenda?]
Washington Post ^ | January 24, 2015 | Scott Beauchamp

Posted on 01/24/2015 10:14:53 AM PST by Steelfish

Abolish West Point — And The Other Service Academies, Too

By Scott Beauchamp January 23

Most Americans are familiar with the prestige that surrounds the United States military service academies. Various names and phrases, spoken like solemn incantations, attest to their sacrosanct status: the Point, the Long Gray Line, Annapolis, cadets. Their graduates constitute a who’s who of American greatness, including Ulysses Grant, Jimmy Carter, novelist James Salter and sci-fi writer Robert Heinlein, to name a few. Gen. Douglas MacArthur, in a 1962 address at West Point, typified the veneration when he told the cadets that they were “the leaven which binds together the entire fabric of our national system of defense.”

The service academies — the U.S. Military Academy for the Army (West Point), the U.S. Naval Academy, the U.S. Air Force Academy and the U.S. Coast Guard Academy — promise to educate and mold future officers charged with leading the enlisted members of the military.

But they are not the hallowed arbiters of quality promised by their myths. Their traditions mask bloated government money-sucks that consistently underperform. They are centers of nepotism that turn below-average students into average officers. They are indulgences that taxpayers, who fund them, can no longer afford. They’ve outlived their use, and it’s time to shut them down.

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KEYWORDS: annapolis; serviceacademies; usairforceacademy; uscoastguardacademy; usmilitaryacademy; usnavalacademy; westpoint
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To: Steelfish

I wonder what year Scott Beauchamp was rejected by a Service Academy?


21 posted on 01/24/2015 11:09:40 AM PST by shortstop (It's too bad that stupidity isn't painful)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

Okay how about John McCain? Jim Webb?


22 posted on 01/24/2015 11:12:03 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: dasboot

Maybe because homeschoolers work harder at their studies so it seems that way to him? Then again, training has probably gotten softer since 2009.


23 posted on 01/24/2015 11:15:00 AM PST by rabidralph
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To: Steelfish
Meh. I don't agree that fresh HS grads should be going to ROTC or a service academy at all. If you want to be an officer, you should have enlisted time in service. At the very least have gone through basic/AIT, and had some real-world experience for at least a year or so.

The best butterbars are the ones who shut up, listen, and let the E4s work stuff out. Because they know they don't know anything.
24 posted on 01/24/2015 11:30:29 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: Steelfish
They are centers of nepotism that turn below-average students into average officers. <\i>

Uh, right, little Scotty, I'd like you to show us one below average student who ever got into West Point, much less one who got in and graduted. This isn't journalism school, y'know.

25 posted on 01/24/2015 11:36:26 AM PST by LibWhacker ("Every Muslim act of terror is follow by a political act of cover-up." -Daniel Greenfield)
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To: Steelfish

This Beauchamp character neglected to mention, or more likely didn’t know of the Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Point, New York. They also produce Ensigns USNR. Yet their training, though military, is more commercial shipping oriented. A lot of officers in the USNS fleet are USMMA trained.


26 posted on 01/24/2015 11:37:57 AM PST by onedoug
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To: grania

And the Corps of Cadets at West Point virtually silenced ø when he was last there. I’d bet he never goes again. That doesn’t mean though that he wouldn’t try to wreck these institutions as he’s wrecking everything else. Likely he’s already doubled down to that effect.


27 posted on 01/24/2015 11:45:27 AM PST by onedoug
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To: rabidralph

Or maybe better? Rot starts at the top. That was a slice of USNA life a dozen years ago that I got from a student. His remarks were also informed by several visits to the merchant academy to visit my daughter. It was his opinion that the merchant school was more all- business, and a greater physical and intellectual challenge than he faced at USNA. Things change....I hope: maybe the next prez will get the PC out of the place....and make it great again...if it ever was. The potential the service academies have is awsome and most necessary.


28 posted on 01/24/2015 11:48:27 AM PST by dasboot
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To: bigdaddy45

“You’re basically making his point.....”

Nah, if ‘he lost me’ would not that indicate that I disagree with him? ;-)


29 posted on 01/24/2015 11:56:01 AM PST by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I do?)
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To: onedoug

“This Beauchamp character neglected to mention, or more likely didn’t know of the Merchant Marine Academy at Kings Poinin the USN, New York. They also produce Ensigns USNR. Yet their training, though military, is more commercial shipping oriented. A lot of officers in the USNS fleet are USMMA trained.”

The merchant academy school from which my daughter graduated (not USMMA) was fond of boasting they had more flag-rank officers in the USN than any other school.....including USNA. Don’t know if that included reserves??

Indeed, it seems that the Merchant Marine acedemies are generally recognized as developing better product for the oceanic armed forces.


30 posted on 01/24/2015 12:01:22 PM PST by dasboot
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To: Steelfish

Consider the source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Thomas_Beauchamp_controversy


31 posted on 01/24/2015 12:06:14 PM PST by Mr. Peabody
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To: Svartalfiar
The best butterbars are the ones who shut up, listen, and let the E4s work stuff out. Because they know they don't know anything.

What would I have learned at basic/AIT that would have been of more value than 10+ hours a week of ROTC commitments during my four years of college? Add to that one week of Spring Camp at Fort Lewis while my classmates are partying during spring break, and six weeks of Advanced Camp at Fort Lewis?

A third of my class earned Ranger Tabs, and over half of us got our jump wings. I was about in the middle of a class of 20 that produced a two-star general, several full bird colonels, and a couple of LTC's. I was one of many that left the service after fulfilling our commitments.

My NCOs speeded my development, and I got along with them better than most officers. My most enjoyable time was as a platoon leader with three E-4 squad leaders, and an E-5. I had been a platoon leader with two other platoons in the year prior to that, so I was ready to mold a platoon with younger, more eager soldiers. It was one of the highlights of my short military career when we outperformed the other platoons in a tac eval, to the surprise of everyone but me.

Months of basic and AIT would never have provided me with my most important lesson, when my platoon failed a tac eval, and the main message from the Platoon Leaders handbook was delivered: everything my unit did or failed to do is my responsibility. I took a lot of crap over the next few months, and that would be the last time I failed.

I took the message to heart, but became a real PITA to my chain of command. My attitude was, "ok, you're going to put it all on me? Fine. Stay the hell out of my way and let me do my job." I've pretty much been a PITA for over 40 years, thanks to that experience.

32 posted on 01/24/2015 12:32:03 PM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: Mr. Peabody

Wow, thanks for posting. That dude’s got some serious butt hurt. lol


33 posted on 01/24/2015 12:35:40 PM PST by Night Hides Not (Remember the Alamo! Remember Goliad! Remember Mississippi!)
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To: spel_grammer_an_punct_polise

I am no fan of President carter. But the guy did nuclear power stuff. He was no idiot. Perhaps he let his brain fry a bit, but he was a smart guy.


34 posted on 01/24/2015 12:43:08 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: dasboot

Was it a east coast MMA? I used to do some work with the one on Cape Cod. They produced some pretty successful grads.


35 posted on 01/24/2015 12:46:00 PM PST by Vermont Lt (Ebola: Death is a lagging indicator.)
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To: dasboot

Maybe NAPSCoordinator can account for this rot?


36 posted on 01/24/2015 12:48:04 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: Steelfish

Parallel to the saying, “Garbage in, garbage out.” Just can’t get one term to be synonymous to the situation. I do love the Lieutenant humor that pervades the ranks.

Have to post this one: THE IMAGE OF RANK

General:
Leaps over tall buildings in a single bound, is more powerful than a locomotive, is faster than a speeding bullet, walks on water, and gives policy to God.

Colonel:
Leaps over short buildings in a single bound, is more powerful than a switch engine, is just as fast as a speeding bullet, walks on water if sea is calm, and talks to God.

Lieutenant Colonel:
Leaps over short buildings with a running start and a favorable wind, is almost as powerful as a switch engine, is as fast as a speeding b-b, walks on water in an indoor pool, and talks to God if special request is approved.

Major:
Barely clears quonset huts, loses tug-of-war with locomotives, can fire a speeding bullet, swims well, and is occassionally addressed by God.

Captain:
Makes high marks when trying to leap buildings, is run over by locomotives, can someimes handle a weapon without inflicting self-injury, can doggie-paddle, and talks to animals.

First Lieutenant:
Runs into buildings, recognizes locomotives two out of three times, is not issued ammunition, can stay afloat if properly instructed, and talks to water.

Second Lieutenant:
Falls over doorsills when trying to enter buildings, says “look at the choo-choo, ” wets himself with a water pistol, and mumbles to himself.

An NCO: Lifts building and then walks under them, kicks locomotives off the track, catches speeding bullets in his teeth, and chews them, and freezes water in a speeding glance. He is God.


37 posted on 01/24/2015 12:49:33 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: Vermont Lt

Yes. MMA. And, roger that!


38 posted on 01/24/2015 12:51:59 PM PST by dasboot
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To: dasboot
Cadets in Sea Year. Very cool.

GoPro: USMMA Sea Year MSC

39 posted on 01/24/2015 1:11:51 PM PST by onedoug
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To: DesertRhino
Exactly -what- do I get with a Romney/Jeb/Christie?

A chance to "right" the U.S. Supreme Court?

40 posted on 01/24/2015 1:15:57 PM PST by Does so (SCOTUS Newbies Imperil USA...)
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