Tom Brady's tale doesn't hold weight [Says sack Brady for Super Bowl if he cheated]

ESPN ^ | Jan. 23, 2015 | Ian O'Connor

[mmichaels1970]

If 11 of 12 Pats balls were under spec, and 12 of 12 Colts balls were within spec, you have evidence of cheating. I don’t care who won or whether one or two psi make a difference. I don’t care if they did just as well or better when the psi was corrected. If they cheated they should be punished. They have a proven history of cheating.

[sten]

weren’t the balls used by BOTH quarterbacks?

if one had an advantage, then BOTH had the same advantage

failing to see the issue

[Colofornian]

I believe Belicheck when he says he didn’t think about this crap. I think Brady told the equipment guys what he wanted. And he got it. The ball security is tighter in D3 college football than in the NFL.

(I think this is a likely scenario)

[kjam22]

My point is that "Deflate Gate" in my opinion contributed HEAVILY to New England's 2nd TD.

A pound and a half of air pressure contributed HEAVILY to new england's 2nd td? Who would actually believe that????

[lepton]

Also, according to Colts defender D’Qwan Jackson, the refs put a Colts ball out there for the Pats on several plays.

And despite being credited for being the one to notice the difference in many, many articles, he said he couldn’t tell the ball was underinflated after he intercepted it, and was just taking it for a souvenir.

[lepton]

Also, according to Colts defender D’Qwan Jackson, the refs put a Colts ball out there for the Pats on several plays.

And despite being credited for being the one to notice the difference in many, many articles, he said he couldn’t tell the ball was underinflated after he intercepted it, and was just taking it for a souvenir.

[Colofornian]

weren’t the balls used by BOTH quarterbacks? if one had an advantage, then BOTH had the same advantage failing to see the issue

(No, each team has its own dozen balls submitted to head ref pre-game)

[sten]

amazing how few people understand boyle’s law ... supposedly taught in high school chemisty

[Vermont Lt]

Brady says he likes balls at 12.5. That is the low end of the regulation. Take that ball into the cold rain...and it’s gonna get smaller. If 12.5 is “deflated” then you need to change the rule.

Also, do people think Brady was on the sidelines taking air out of the ball? Because that is they only way you can pin it on him. Show me some evidence that Brady did anything. You haven’t seen it because it didn’t happen.

[lepton]

I’ll say it again... it is a crazy statement, and unlearned, no knowledge statement, that says Brady or his coordinator would think “wow, I can throw it deep now that the ball has a pound and a half less air in it”. Period. It is a dumb thought to believe that.

---

Not only that, but the effect of under inflating the ball is to make it a little less accurate, and a little less likely to go as far....like .003 seconds slower to go 20 yards.

[kjam22]

The punishment, according the the league rules, is a $25k fine. So that’s it. We should fine them 25k and move on. That fine is right up there with scratching yourself in public and wearing the wrong cleats etc. That’s how important it is based on the advantage it “may or may not” create.

[kjam22]

Yep

[Colofornian]

A pound and a half of air pressure contributed HEAVILY to new england's 2nd td? Who would actually believe that????

When we're talking about 1 deep 30-yard pass that might have been more readily dropped in wetter conditions, yes, I've got news for you -- that's all it takes -- is one play to set other things in motion.

Look around you in life and tell me that LOTS of negative things haven't happened by one thing established that might not had played out to the consternation of others had somebody shown some integrity vs. some unethical "shortcut."

[kjam22]

Colofornian.... have you ever thrown a football before? I’m convinced you haven’t.

[kjam22]

Here’s another piece of info.... a thirty yard pass isn’t really that deep. Its about half or maybe less than half the distance he can throw the ball.... with or without the extra pound and a half of air.

[TexasGator]

“My point is that “Deflate Gate” in my opinion contributed HEAVILY to New England’s 2nd TD.”

You will have to find something better. The ball was not thrown very well.

[Colofornian]

Not only that, but the effect of under inflating the ball is to make it a little less accurate, and a little less likely to go as far....like .003 seconds slower to go 20 yards.

Ya know, we could review LOTS of TV clips of "would have been" certain TDs had the ball hung up a little more for the open receiver to run under it.

An underinflated ball is also more likely to "hang up" -- allowing a receiver on a deeper pass to run under it.

An underinflated ball is also going to allow receivers to hang on to a ball easier in wetter conditions. (Indy had no such luxury for an entire half)

[kjam22]

You ever see some of those receivers catching the ball during the game or during warm up with one hand? They can do that with 13 pounds of air or with 11.5.

[lepton]

If 11 of 12 Pats balls were under spec, and 12 of 12 Colts balls were within spec, you have evidence of cheating.

---

No. You have evidence of *something* being different. It could be as simple as where the balls were stored before they were submitted. It could also be evidence that the Colts overinflated theirs, or we’re at the high side.

[kjam22]

I’ll ask you again.... have you ever thrown a football in your life?