Posted on 01/06/2015 8:51:33 PM PST by Swordmaker
My experience has been similar. I use an indoor antenna; my TV picks up eight stations but the USB tuner only gets six. It’s an ATI Diamond TVW750U that I got for about $35- ATSC, QAM, NTSC & FM stereo. I use it mostly as an FM radio now that I have a TV- I needed a monitor, and a 24” TV with VGA & HDMI inputs was $70 cheaper than a 22” monitor. Better resolution, too- it’s 1920x1080.
I am telling you, that you do not know what you are talking about.
You are now doing the next trick. . . changing the subject to something else entirely. Workers in China do take naps near their work stations. The other things you list are from factories not associated with HonHai or FoxConn and were proved to have come from discredited reporting by China Labor Watch using video from other companies. . . in that Business Insider and the other were using sources that used China Labor Watch reports that snuck in videos from other really bad locations and claimed they were associated with Apple. . . just as YOU are doing here. These same videos were found in CLW's reports on OTHER companies that were not FoxConn. . . but were later shows as being FoxConn and then reported as coming from plants making Apple products. CLW wants publicity for the ax they are grinding and like Greenpeace before them, they get the best bank for the buck by smearing Apple. The media swallows it because it sells.
Or are you just disputing conditions haven't caused suicides yet in Apples Communist Chinese "contract" factories?
AND AGAIN, you conflate the far lower than normal suicide rates that happen in ANY population of people with Apple's contract factories, even though those suicides NEVER HAPPENED at Apple's factories???? Just how gullibly insane are you? And you insist on putting the word contract in quotation marks as though you are convinced that Apple owns these factories. . . just like another I have had the displeasure to engage on FR. Are you by chance a re-incarnation of a person who has been told to not engage on this subject? Your writing style and opinions are quite similar.
I wonder why Microsoft, HP and Sony along with Apple are producing their products in Communist China?
It is NOT just Microsoft, HP and Sony. . . it is EVERYBODY, dragnet2. The fact is that about the only company that is building computers in the United States right now is Apple.
I've noted you show up on nearly every single Apple thread attempting to discredit the stories and article which depict Apple doing business in Communist China while taking total advantage of that dirt cheap peasant labor.
All that shows is that you don't pay attention but not to factual data.
Did you by chance note WHO posted this thread? You also might note who posted the PING list notification. I have maintained that PING list for over 650 of your fellow creepers for almost twelve years who have ASKED me to notify them of ACCURATE information about Apple and their products and to PING them to threads on those topics. . . and you ask WHY I am on these threads. You DO have a reading comprehension problem.
In the interest of fulfilling that obligation to those 650 members of the PING list, I am also interested in TRUTH and FACTS about those topics, as I have repeatedly told you. . . and you are an egregious spreader of falsehoods and non-facts and FUD, Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. I will correct you when you spout such nonsense. . . which you repeatedly do. Unfortunately FUD and nonsense about Apple is also rife on the Internet, because anything involving Apple garners clicks for advertisers, true or not. And the more sensational, the more clicks it garners. That's why reports of suicides at manufacturing facilities making OTHER makers' products get headlines saying Apple Contractors' Plant has suicides but only in the sixth or seventh paragraph do you find out no Apple workers were involved. Nobody will click on a headline that says Microsoft Xbox maker has a suicide. . . but put Apple in the headline, and everyone clicks on it. . . even if it is untrue!
You ask why I discredit articles depicting Apple doing business in China. . . I don't. I discredit articles or claims that are FALSE about how they do that business. Apple has done more to improve the conditions of workers in manufacturing than any other organization involved. That's another fact. Apple included in its contracts requirements for increased worker pay. . . trebling the pay of manufacturing line workers. . . which has resulted in pay increases across the board in other workers not on Apple assembly lines at FoxConn. Here's some citation from an earlier thread in which I was addressing this issue to a nameless Freeper who like you loved falsehoods more than facts:
It was reported above in sourced articles that FoxConn starts workers at 900 yuan (~$132 US) per month on their regular work lines. It was also reported that a young 19 year old girl working on Apple's iPad assembly line was making 2000 yuan (~$345 US) per month, there's the documented proof of my assertion that workers on the Apple lines were paid more than those on the other lines. . . and FoxConn is raising rates as I said even more, which (you) called untrue:
(You) would have us believe that a company which employs 1.2 MILLION people, that 19 suicides and 5 unsuccessful attempts in the six year period from 2007 through 2013, averaging a 3.43 a year, giving a normalized rate (ignoring clusters) of 0.6 per 100,000 per year is somehow remarkably unusual! THAT'S LESS THAN ONE SUICIDE PER 100,000 EMPLOYEES PER YEAR! Even with the 2010 cluster in Szhenschow, the rate was way below the norm for the age group for China's population in general. . . Ask yourselves, how many people in a city with a population of 1.2 million people will kill themselves in six years? The answer is that with the suicide rate in the US it would be around 800.iPhone manufacturer Foxconn to double worker salaries by 2013
By Cyrus Lee
ZDNet—View from China — May 29, 2012 -- 08:42 GMTSummary: Foxconn’s current base salary ($350) per month is already higher than the RMB 1,500 ($240) statutory minimum wage per month in the city of Shenzhen.
The base salary in Foxconn's Chinese manufacturing bases will be lifted to RMB 4,400 ($700) per month by the end of 2013, from current RMB 2,200 ($350) per month, Taiwan-based Business Weekly reported last week, citing Foxconn’s President Terry Gou.
Gou also aims to raise the entrance labor wages to RMB 4,000 ($635) by the end of this year in China firstly, which represents an 82 percent jump from current RMB 2,200 ($350), to exceed the entry-level wage of graduate students working for its headquarter in Taiwan.
Foxconn will have its employees “reasonably paid”, Gou said during an event in China this month.
The electronics manufacturing giant produces various high-tech devices including the iPhone, iPad and Kindle.
The basic salary at Foxconn’s Shenzhen plant in China, which employs almost 400,000 workers to feed the rolling manufacturing contracts from all over the globe, was only about RMB 900 ($145) per month back to early 2010.
However, after 11 (three of the attempted suicides survived their attempts — Swordmaker) employees of Foxconn’s Shenzhen factory jumped from high buildings in the first five months of 2010, the company initiated rounds of pay raises to prevent more deaths as they believe the suicides are for money compensation.
Foxconn’s current basic salary ($350) per month is already higher than the RMB 1,500 ($240) statutory minimum wage per month in the city of Shenzhen this year. The latter is also the highest statutory minimum wage throughout China, which is higher than that in Beijing ($200) and Shanghai ($230).
However, the gross profit margin of Foxconn’s parent company, Hon Hai Precision Industry, was only at 4 percent in the first three months of 2012, down 0.5 percent from the 4.5 percent for the same period last year, according to its first quarter report.
The low profit margin amid aggressive wage hikes is likely to make Foxconn transfer the higher costs to its contractors, said a report by the Chinese leading portal NetEase. Foxconn manufactures gadgets for the likes of Apple, Sony, Nintendo, Hewlett-Packard, Nokia and Dell, etc.
First Financial Daily, a Chinese newspaper, reported that Foxconn spokespersons in China said they have not received notice from corporate headquarters to raise the wages at the moment.
The newspaper also reported a rising rental prices around Foxconn’s manufacturing bases in China as the landlords are lifting the prices after hearing about the rumors of the pay raises.
Yet, you dragnet2, like the person I was addressing in this original thread, want us to not use our rational minds and to ignore sane THINKING, you'd prefer we throw out facts and rather embrace irrational emotion to focus not on the OWNER of the company where the suicides took place, and to ultimately target and place culpability on only ONE of its hundreds of customers! Are we supposed to join you in your delusions? I refuse because I will not let go of rationality.
By the way slick, the moniker is not from the TV shows ya watch, but the definition of the word. You fail at assuming.
By the way, my Freepname is NOT "Slick." That is the same exact pattern of the (you) used in his approach to discussion. . . to refuse to use my Freepname. Cut it out, Dragnet2. Use my correct Freepname in addressing me instead of snarky insults.
Finally, I was not assuming anything. I was using a humorous play on your Freepname, which is obviously beyond you. Obviously, like all emotional liberals, you have no sense of humor.
Why do you continue to evade the questions?
The more ya post the more suspect I find your position. Your repeated hyper sensitive diatribe and endless wordy responses are revealing. You could just cut and paste from thread to thread and I think you have.
Shall I list the the questions you’ve evaded here?
BTW, you started the name calling, not I. You might want to reconsider that tactic.
I am not evading any questions. . . your questions have been answered multiple times on FR. . . and I choose not to answer questions already asked and answered hundreds of times before. Your questions are accusations, not questions. So I don't respond to accusations. Drop it. The answer I give don't need to change when FACTS never change. You are the slippery one here. . . because all you post are opinions. If you notice, I post links to qualified sources. YOU DON'T. There is no need to re-write responses when it has been answered multiple times before. You bring up the same twaddle that has been responded to multiple times before. . . and to adequately counter lies, I present the factual and accurate answer that shoots YOU completely out of the water. When I post from a previous thread, I state that.
The other members have seen your ilk many times. . . who throw out any negative FUD they can think of. . . and I counter it with facts and accurate data. Your dislike of "endless wordy responses" means you don't like the accurate facts. . . which are necessary to prove you wrong. They lay out the actual events which you blithely ignore with your snarky one line negative FUD comments that are out right lies you've picked up from who knows where. . . but that you are willing to endless repeat, despite being shown the facts. . . with proof from multiple sources. THAT is proof that YOU are deranged about your irrational hatred of anything about Apple.
You are the one who has invaded this thread and others with comments that are not germane to the topic nor are they intended to inform but rather to throw brickbats and insults. That is the classic tactics of the common Internet troll.
I just reviewed every single one of your comments on this thread. I have responded to every single one of your questions to me, save one. . . including the rhetorical questions. Had you bothered to read what I posted, you'd know that I had.
The sole question i have not responded to is your question about my connection with Apple. I have answered that question multiple times before on FR to others of your ilk who have accused me of being in Apple's employ because I know what I am talking about. I will answer it one more time: I have no official connection with Apple. I have owned a cross platform business and computer consultation business for the last do own some Apple stock which I have mention on these threads 35 years and have followed Apple history and news and have written articles on Apple for years. But beyond my maintaining the PING list at the request of the 650 Freepers who are members, that is it.
I am interested in the truth in news coverage. I am a published author, a past editor and publisher who is offended by bad journalism. . . which abounds in coverage of Apple.
YOU seem to be quite gullible or a paid troll charged with spreading FUD. You certainly fit the standard pattern of the latter.
(I) do own some Apple stock
Oooh, I see.
Well, I never follow your seemingly endless hyper sensitivity while running defense over this corp, but I am not surprised at all....lol
Ya see you were a dead giveaway as someone who clearly has a big conflict of interest, or dog in the fight, as they say.
There is no need for further discussion with you regarding this.
Go sales!
Cheers!
No, you ignored the reasons I gave for the one YOU wanted to attack. I was maintaining the Apple/Mac Ping list years before I acquired any Apple stock in my portfolio. You just LOVE to jump to conclusions. . . as you do in your posts. Must be real easy being you; you never have to learn facts, just go with emotions and HATE. I've told you the truth in everything I've posted to you, and then twist it into the worst interpretation you can find. What a nasty personality you demonstrate.
I have no conflict of interest. I have described my interest in these threads completely. I hide nothing. My Apple stock is a very minor asset holding compared to my other assets. It is outweighed by other holdings by at least a thousand to one. I could lose it all tomorrow and not shed a tear. You, on the other hand, demonstrate an irrational animosity to a successful American Company that has overcome the odds to become the largest one in the world by market cap. Why? You prefer to assume the worst about it, in spite of the facts, choosing every time to go with the vile and scurrilous lies spread by competitors from foreign countries. . . Again, why is that? What do you have against American business? Who is paying YOU to post in these threads when you obviously have an active dislike and hatred for the company and a predilection to insult and belittle the people who choose to use its products?
Now that you've had an opportunity to attack me again, take your mean spirited dog fight somewhere else and quit being the skunk at the picnic, to mix a few metaphors.
Good luck with your Apple stock!
Cheers...
Luck has nothing to do with it.
you show you don’t know tech if you think Apple EVER had a ‘386 based product.
I use ALL technology - from Apple (which INVENTED the PC) to IBM PC, C64, IBM PC AT, Compaq, etc.
When IBM was using the 386, apple was using the motorola 68000 series.
I have written linux kernel mode drivers. Get over it. Apple makes good products. If you don’t like them, don’t buy them.
I’m over them. Have been since 6th grade. I get tired of apple gods coming down the mountain and calling pc users walmart shoppers? So you get over it. I worked for Compaq on Proliant servers and my uncle was an engineer at IBM. And my silly daughter has taught me the power of marketing...
Note: this topic is from 1/06/2015. Thanks Swordmaker.Three words -- 8 point one. The only bright spot for MS may be Apple's rumored move toward iOS - MacOS integration.Microsoft's CEO, Satya Nadella, is rapidly steering the company into the back office and service spaces, while their nascent mobile and desktop platforms are crumbling around them. Microsoft is putting on a brave face continuing to heavily advertise the 2-in-1 Surface debacle, but Nadella is only buying time... In less than a decade, Microsoft will be associated with IBM or Oracle, not Apple or Google... With over 1 billion iOS devices sold to-date, and 60-70 million iPhones sold in the December quarter alone, iOS has become the consumer, business and general purpose mobile computing platform on a global scale. Nadella appears to be embracing this truth, laying off all but a small remnant of their Nokia team. Microsoft hangs onto the beloved Xbox console franchise, but this endeavor rarely produces the profits that justify it as a long-term solution worth keeping... a revamped Apple TV and available services cannot be far behind. Apple only need deliver UHD (4k) gaming, video playback/streaming, and an Apple TV App store and Microsoft will likely sell or spin off their Xbox entertainment division... Apple claimed 25% of the U.S. desktop OS market during the September quarter. Along with an ever growing iCloud and mobile devices that provide a seamless Apple solution, purchasing a Windows OS computer that does not provide a fully integrated hardware and software ecosystem makes less sense by the day... Nadella is smart to move Redmond's software giant back into the corporate services market, where margins still exist and trends move far slower than in the consumer space, because Apple and Google are simply killing them on every other front.
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