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[Vanity] Suggestions on reading Ulysses
NOV-30-2014 | Self

Posted on 11/30/2014 3:59:51 PM PST by re_nortex

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To: re_nortex

It’s up to you, but wasting your mind on dirt is not the most uplifting way to spend a life that I could imagine.


41 posted on 11/30/2014 4:49:35 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: notted

Well they say to put yourself as much as possible into the author’s frame of mind.

In this case, hooch certainly achieves that goal. The Poetic Dresser Drawer Contents.


42 posted on 11/30/2014 4:51:25 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: notted
However, I am by and large uneducated, IOW, I do not have a degree, so, take my recommendation with a grain of salt.

I doubt that FRiend! I've been reading FR since September 2001 (but only opened an account nine years later). The people who hang out at this site are indeed the smartest you'll find on any forum, regardless of whether they have some paper on the wall or some letters appended to the last name. There's wisdom and book learnin'. This is where the wise are found.

43 posted on 11/30/2014 4:51:28 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex
Like proxy_user points out, it's all in the allusions. What we know today, the common knowledge of the everyman, is vastly different from what they knew back then.

I watched "It Happened One Night" the other day. The kids were mildly amused with the "Walls of Jericho" and Joshua's Trumpet reference. Bible readers all, they got the reference.

Ulysses alludes to lots of things we just don't refer to much anymore, especially in modern, casual usage. (e.g The whole belly button/universal umbilical chord thing.) It's a chore and a lot of work to get through. U of Tenn had some great Joyce scholars back in the day. How would you like to defend a topic: "Name, Names & Naming in Joyce's Ulysses"?
44 posted on 11/30/2014 4:51:54 PM PST by Macoozie (1) Win the Senate 2) Repeal Obamacare 3) Impeach Roberts)
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To: re_nortex
Ok.

Some people build ships in bottles, others collect doll heads.

To each, their own.

If you feel you must read it, by all means, do.

Personally? No way.

I liked Atlas Shrugged, and Dr. Zhivago, but I'm weird that way. I like Russian books that don't go anywhere. Better than a french Farce.

I'm much happier reading books that I like, as in the real classics, sometimes in the original, if I read the language, and modern writers like Niven, Pournelle, and Kipling.

/johnny

45 posted on 11/30/2014 4:52:47 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: re_nortex

Don’t know about wise, but we’re weird.


46 posted on 11/30/2014 4:53:01 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: re_nortex

Good geography! We all live @here, in FR, WWW, the totus porcus.(Then Stephen passes out).


47 posted on 11/30/2014 4:53:03 PM PST by cornelis
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To: Jim Noble

I have to agree with you on that. Most of Ulysses is well worth reading, if you like Joyce’s earlier stuff. There are a couple of boring sections. But Finnegan’s Wake isn’t worth touching with a ten foot pole.


48 posted on 11/30/2014 4:54:08 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

It’s like pop art in literature form. If you groove on that sort of thing, well there’s no accounting for taste.


49 posted on 11/30/2014 4:56:31 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Cream - Tales of brave Ulysses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7dEmKMQ8_g


50 posted on 11/30/2014 4:57:50 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: JRandomFreeper
Yes, Dr. Zhivago is also among those "essentials" as I see it. Superb in all ways.
51 posted on 11/30/2014 5:02:14 PM PST by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: re_nortex
If you actually get through it, you will be one of the few who did.

"Ulysses" is one of those books that most upwardly mobile, pretentious types purchase for their library to show houseguests how intellectual and enlightened they are. But only a fraction of them can even tell you the basic outline of what it is about.

There are quite a few books that fit this "coffee table" category, such as "Moby Dick" by Herman Melville and "Foucault's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco. Frequently bought but rarely read. Looks trendy on the coffee table with the latest copy of "The New Yorker".

Not that I'm insinuating that these books are not worth the time to read. However, they are "challenging" to say the least.

I recommend reading this book with a tumbler of your favorite strong beverage. Perhaps some Glenfiddich or some Frangelico, as your tastes incline. Good luck with James Joyce and let us know if you are able to figure it out.

52 posted on 11/30/2014 5:03:32 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: re_nortex

If you don’t like a book in the first 65 pages, move on. Life is short and there are millions of potential books.

Read what you are interested in and attracted to. Decide for yourself what is worth your time - don’t decide based on what “experts” think.

I’ve read thousands of books. Many I regret spending time persevering through. Many changed my life and have been read several times.

I now read many books on my iPad - using the kindle app. Save money and best... All my highlights are saved in my Amazon acct by book and can be saved. I have given away boxes and boxes and boxes of books. My kindle collection travels with me and takes no room.

My 2 cents.


53 posted on 11/30/2014 5:04:20 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: re_nortex

http://www.thegreatcourses.com/courses/joyce-s-ulysses.html

Currently on sale for 30 bucks.


54 posted on 11/30/2014 5:04:53 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (Hoaxey Dopey Changey)
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To: Jim Noble
I liked the old short story Winnegan's Fake by Peter Hogan.

/johnny

55 posted on 11/30/2014 5:07:31 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: re_nortex
Russian novel. Soviets won. That sort of spoiled it for me. I had to do something with those hours, and it kept me off the streets.

/johnny

56 posted on 11/30/2014 5:09:04 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Jim Noble

The best way to read Finnegan’s Wake, is out loud. Worked for me.


57 posted on 11/30/2014 5:14:00 PM PST by Little Bill (EVICT Queen Jean)
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To: re_nortex
I have read both Ulysses and Finnigans Wake. My suggestion is to read a set minimum number of pages at a sitting (let's say 20), and within days, you'll find yourself interested enough so that you will no longer need minimums.

I had a heck of a time getting through Remembrance of Things Past by Marcel Proust, which is over 4,000 pages, but by reading 20 pages at a time, I was soon engaged enough to finish it.

58 posted on 11/30/2014 5:32:44 PM PST by mountainbunny (Faithless is he that says farewell when the road darkens ~ J.R.R. Tolkien)
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To: re_nortex
Isn't Joyce part of the modernist influence in literature whereby artists reserve for themselves the rules of its pleasure and instruction? That's how Ortega Y Gasset spells it out in The Dehumanization of Art:
Every work of art awakens different responses: some people like it, others do not; some like it less, others more. No principle is involved: the accident of our individual disposition will decide where we stand. But in the case of modern art the separation occurs on a deeper plane than the mere difference sin individual taste. It is not a matter of the majority of the public not liking the new work and the minority liking it. What happens is that the majority, the mass of the people, does not understand it.

In my opinion, the characteristic of contemporary art 'from the sociological point of view' is that it divides the public into these two classes of men: those who understand it and those who do not. . .

Modern art, evidently, is not for everybody, as was Romantic art, but from the outset is aimed at a special, gifted minority. Hence the irritation it arouses in the majority. When someone does not like a work of art, but has understood it, he feels superior to it and has no room for irritation. But when distaste arises from the fact of its not having been understood, then the spectator feels humiliated, with an obscure awareness of his inferiority for which he must compensate by an indignant assertion of himself.

So, knock yourself out, as they say. Read it with friends, as you should. Literature is a social thing, just don't try to jump your designated p-orbital.
59 posted on 11/30/2014 5:34:44 PM PST by cornelis
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To: jmacusa; re_nortex
"Here’s a tip for you: Joyce was a drunk."

So, instead of trudging through the book, find a dark bar and drink. "Plenty to see and hear and feel yet. Feel live warm beings near you." _JJ

60 posted on 11/30/2014 5:35:08 PM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything.)
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