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Trekonomics: Is Star Trek Really “Anti-Libertarian”?
The Federalist ^ | October 22, 2014 | Robert Tracinski

Posted on 10/23/2014 6:11:58 AM PDT by C19fan

Reason‘s Nick Gillespie recently posted a list of the five most anti-libertarian television shows ever, and there’s a serious error. Actually, there are two serious errors. The first, larger error is that Reason put together a list of the five best libertarian TV shows, and they left off “Firefly,” which simply boggles the mind.

The smaller error is that Gillespie names “Star Trek” among the anti-libertarian shows. Even worse is the reason he gives: “The Starship Enterprise’s adventures throughout the galaxy are supposedly guided by the Federation’s ‘prime directive,’ which forbids humans from intervening in the domestic affairs of the planets they visit. And yet…Captain James T. Kirk is mucking around with every civilization from here to the Romulan Neutral Zone like LBJ on Viagra.”

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TOPICS: TV/Movies
KEYWORDS: finalfrontier; libertarian; star; startrek; trek
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To: MrEdd

You’re in Texas, too. Should be an easy deal to meet up. Say that I defend child-molestation to my face.


41 posted on 10/23/2014 8:32:59 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. We have no 'news media', only a Soviet Pravda.)
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To: Lazamataz

“what exactly is the inherent value of latinum?”

Latinum cannot be replicated.


42 posted on 10/23/2014 8:33:10 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Lazamataz

They are just “not guilty”. Predators are still predators when they are teachers. That quit being just a joke a long time ago.

And then there was the thread you and silverleaf got all upset because I indicated that addicts who rape kids are better off dead. I notice that private messages I got from you two are now deleted. Y’all ask the moderators to remove everything pertaining to that thread?.

As for your threats of violence, well it is part for the course with you when opposition to pedophilia comes up.


43 posted on 10/23/2014 8:39:58 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: katana; MrEdd
No, no. The talking horse is correct.

Thinking is hard and can be painful if the logic components are rusty. As our leftist cousins repeatedly illustrate, it is much easier to paint those who confuse us as cartoonishly evil.

Therefore; libertarians molest children.

44 posted on 10/23/2014 8:47:56 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: katana
One’s individual liberty stops when its exercise deprives another of theirs. Children under law are not able to give consent to the kind of intimate relations you allude to and anyone who believes otherwise is simply a monster who should be locked away or worse.

The dissonance of your ideas is that this legal status of children is based on Law, not morality. Libertarians are vehemently against using morality as the basis of laws, and I will point out that Homosexuality was also against the law at one time, but now Libertarians have no objections to it.

When the laws are changed to reduce the age of consent, what will be the Libertarian argument against it? I can't think of one that doesn't contradict their own stated positions.

45 posted on 10/23/2014 8:52:17 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Lazamataz
FAIL. I do not see anything in this quoted-text that advocates for the right of children to have sex or adults to have sex with children. You will note the term 'consensual'. Children are incapable of legally granting consent to sex, much in the same way that they are incapable of legally signing a contract.

You aren't grasping the salient point here. "Legal" means nothing when you change the law. Homosexuality was once illegal. Homosexuality put you in the category of "non compos mentis" and therefore you could not legally give consent. Homosexuals could not legally give consent.

They changed the law. So where is your argument now? By what basis can you assert that something is wrong because a law says so instead of saying that the law should reflect what is morally right instead of whatever happens to be the current whim of the majority?

46 posted on 10/23/2014 8:58:24 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: laotzu
Therefore; libertarians molest children.

Their ideas will eventually create that unintended consequence.

47 posted on 10/23/2014 9:01:00 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: laotzu

Not sure how this went from discussing whether the Federation in Star Trek was a Fascist authoritarian state or utopia of individual liberty, to is or is not the Libertarian Party a squalid den of pedophiles. I am embarrassed that I seem to have helped it happen.


48 posted on 10/23/2014 9:04:33 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: treetopsandroofs

What I often found interesting were the various forms and relative values of the Latinum currency denominations (Slips, Bars, Bricks, etc.).


49 posted on 10/23/2014 9:14:43 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: MrEdd

Let’s meet. We can settle this.


50 posted on 10/23/2014 9:14:46 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. We have no 'news media', only a Soviet Pravda.)
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To: C19fan

It’s not the only medium of exchange, it’s just one that’s preferred because it can’t be replicated. But it’s still Star Trek world so there’s still credits, and there’s still replicators that provide for all basic needs and make it so you don’t really need any money.


51 posted on 10/23/2014 9:19:07 AM PDT by discostu (YAHTZEE!)
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To: katana
Not sure how this went from...

It was post #4, which I do not believe you had any part in.

52 posted on 10/23/2014 9:22:15 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: MrEdd
So...libertarians are child molestors, eh?

That is a very brave thing to say.

Are you brave MrEdd?

53 posted on 10/23/2014 9:26:05 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: MrEdd

Texas Cowboy Memorial Shoot. It’s loads of fun, and we can go for a private chat somewhere.


54 posted on 10/23/2014 9:26:19 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. We have no 'news media', only a Soviet Pravda.)
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To: GeronL

The big value was that it could not be replicated, and wasn’t really useful for much so you didn’t have to worry about people “accidentally” using their money for something other than money (an often overlooked part of what make a good form of currency).


55 posted on 10/23/2014 9:26:56 AM PDT by discostu (YAHTZEE!)
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To: discostu

that is true


56 posted on 10/23/2014 9:30:17 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Lazamataz
FAIL. I do not see anything in this quoted-text that advocates for the right of children to have sex or adults to have sex with children.

b. The repeal of all laws regarding consensual sexual relations, including prostitution and solicitation, and the cessation of state oppression and harassment of homosexual men and women, that they, at least, be accorded their full rights as individuals;

'The repeal of all laws regarding consensual sexual relations' is followed by 'including' to name some specifics.

I would presume that 'The repeal of all laws regarding consensual sexual relations' would include any laws regarding relations with minors...or would those be specifically qualified as 'non-consensual'? The phrase is not specific enough. For which I fault the author of the platform document. Just my 2¢.

57 posted on 10/23/2014 9:34:19 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (To be fair, it's not part of the procedure to screw it up, so I didn't have instructions to undo it.)
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To: Lazamataz; MrEdd

58 posted on 10/23/2014 9:38:26 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (To be fair, it's not part of the procedure to screw it up, so I didn't have instructions to undo it.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
LOL. You're cool. You didn't just accuse me of being a pedophile lover.

What did he THINK was going to happen???

And you know what? I may win, I may lose. That's not the point. I will defend my honor with physical force if required.

59 posted on 10/23/2014 9:42:00 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. We have no 'news media', only a Soviet Pravda.)
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To: treetopsandroofs

The REAL reason latinum is valuable is because it is made of plot device.


60 posted on 10/23/2014 9:51:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. We have no 'news media', only a Soviet Pravda.)
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