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Stop and frisk causes anxiety in young men, study claims
UPI ^ | October 19, 2014

Posted on 10/19/2014 8:04:30 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement

NEW YORK, Oct. 19 (UPI) -- A new study suggests the New York City Police Department's stop and frisk practice may be leading to elevated levels of anxiety among young men in the city, especially young black men.

The policy allows police to stop pedestrians and search them for drugs or weapons.

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TOPICS: Local News; Society
KEYWORDS: police; race; stopandfrisk
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To: UCANSEE2
The solution is proper application of justice. Equal enforcement of the laws.

I won't disagree with that.

21 posted on 10/19/2014 8:45:57 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Politicalkiddo
"Barack Obama doesn't care about black people."


22 posted on 10/19/2014 8:49:26 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I would have heightened anxiety, as well, if I am carrying drugs with me.


23 posted on 10/19/2014 8:52:34 PM PDT by sagar
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To: Leaning Right; Forgotten Amendments
"No cop has a right to "stop and frisk" anyone unless there is probable cause."


You are precisely correct.

Those in favor of "stop and frisk" should also be comfortable with police randomly stopping Ford and Toyota vehicles on certain days of the week while Buicks and BMW cars are stopped on the alternate days. Hey, if it halts just one crime, right? Houses can be searched on nights and weekends.

People...always be careful what rights one gladly hands to the police because it is a s-l-i-p-p-e-r-y slope to tread.

24 posted on 10/19/2014 8:55:27 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Tupelo
I cannot for the life of me see how it passes muster with the fourth amendment.

The same way that the TSA and NSA operations do: because we said so, peon!

25 posted on 10/19/2014 9:35:03 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Sure, if by “anxious” the article means their awareness that they are breaking the law and could go to jail. Poor dears.


26 posted on 10/19/2014 9:35:59 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Leaning Right

It’s always nice to see some support for the 4th Amendment here. It’s not a popular amendment.


27 posted on 10/19/2014 10:04:42 PM PDT by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: Leaning Right

The stop and frisk policy in blatantly unconstitutional, and not for racial reasons.
In fact such encounters are to be analyzed under Terry v. Ohio, and the officer must be able to articulate facts giving rise to reasonable suspicion for the stop, and the subsequent need to firsk (usually they just say officer safety).
But the detention without a legal basis is illegal.
I don’t care a bit about whether it works or not, that’s not how we treat the Constitution.


28 posted on 10/19/2014 10:04:54 PM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: TigersEye

I support the Constitution period- and see my post just just before yours.
The Fourth Amendment is hanging by a thread.
It’s a shame that the “conservatives” on SCOTUS that we need on so many issues are so quick to bend over backwards to accommodate law enforcement and erode these rights.
The huge exception being Justice Scalia. He’s very good on constitutional criminal procedure issues.
When I was a prosecutor I threw out lots of cases because the cops were either too stupid or unwilling to follow the highest law of the land.
When they called to see why I canned their case I would educate them on what a proper search entails, and when they do it right they won’t have to worry about me kicking out their cases.
Now I’m a defense attorney trying to teach younger prosecutors what their role is in upholding the law.
It’s a challenge.


29 posted on 10/19/2014 10:14:30 PM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Clump

Keep up the good fight!


30 posted on 10/19/2014 10:17:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (ISIS is the tip of the spear. The spear is Islam.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

I have difficulty understanding how this could possibly be legal, there has to be probably cause. I’m surprised it’s stood up in court.


31 posted on 10/19/2014 10:18:00 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Clump

let me guess, your biggest problem is getting discovery from the other side, lost notes, no response, not responsive etc..hide the truth


32 posted on 10/19/2014 10:24:18 PM PDT by rolling_stone (1984)
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To: rolling_stone
Well I can get the discovery they have.
The problem is trying to figure out what evidence (interviews that weren't conducted of eyewitnesses, physical evidence not deemed important to collect, and of course evidence that might go against the cops predetermined conclusion of guilt) should be in the prosecutor's file but never got there.
Most of the time it's sheer incompetence, and others it is malicious.
I see them both.
The prosecutors can't turn over what they don't have.
Evidentiary issues are becoming a bigger mess all the time it seems.
And I end up having to do the investigating that the cops should have done to begin with.
33 posted on 10/19/2014 10:43:44 PM PDT by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Clump

How complicated can it be?
Police are stopping and frisking people they suspect are either drug dealers or carrying firearms, without a CCP or not allowed as former felons, or both.

I have a CCP and I don’t sell drugs. Do I stay awake at night worrying about the 4th amendment because police are putting criminals in jail following valid Terry stop and frisks?

Nope. But keep up the good work getting gangsta thugs off on technicalities and in educating prosecutors. Very impressive stuff, like the ACLU or SPLC, so yeah, sleep tight.


34 posted on 10/19/2014 10:58:19 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: Politicalkiddo
The conceit of libs and race vultures is that our prisons are full of black males who are guilty of doing nothing more having a little weed or powder on them.

The facts are the great majority of black prisoners are violent people who deserve to be separated from the general population. In the course of committing their crimes they probably had dope on their person or in their abodes. Illegal possession was added to their crime count, but it was not the reason they were arrested. Nevertheless, libs latch on to the "mere possession" lie to shout racism.

35 posted on 10/20/2014 3:47:23 AM PDT by driftless2
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To: ConservativeStatement

This could lead to disability! Ka-ching!


36 posted on 10/20/2014 3:47:31 AM PDT by Moltke ("The Press, Watson, is a most valuable institution if you only know how to use it.")
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To: Politicalkiddo

“Probably has to do with the drugs that they are hiding.”

You do realize that blacks and whites do drugs at the same rate, right?


37 posted on 10/20/2014 9:39:23 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Leaning Right

They targeted people (white, black, hispanic... they targeted ‘poor’ or ‘appeared poor’) in Texas. At least they were equal opportunity thugs down there.

It made me mad that if I were driving our nice car, cops ignored me. But if I were driving our ‘beater’ cops followed me like sharks. I *never* got pulled over in the nice car, but in the beater, I was pulled over twice. Both times, they gave an excuse, no ticket. No warning.

Middle class housewife, trying to save money and live below our means to pay off debt the Dave Ramsey way. That turned me into a target. And it was blatant.

Cops do target. Cops do profile. And many times they’re wrong.

Funny thing is, the biggest group of druggies that I ever personally knew were rich people in New York. They put high school kids to shame.


38 posted on 10/20/2014 9:43:39 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: driftless2

“Now if you knew your chances of being arrested for drug possession because of the color of your skin was far higher than people who didn’t have your color, would you carry drugs around? I sure as heck wouldn’t.”

But the profiling is still wrong... right? If both groups are equally guilty, then one is being wrongfully targeted... right?


39 posted on 10/20/2014 9:44:58 AM PDT by Marie (When are they going to take back Obama's peace prize?)
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To: Intolerant in NJ
thugs on the street with weapons cause anxiety in old men like me......

Why aren't you armed?

40 posted on 10/20/2014 9:48:04 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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