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Slave photo discovered from Robert E Lee home on Ebay
www.foxnews.com ^ | Oct 12, 2014 | unknown

Posted on 10/13/2014 5:56:54 AM PDT by armydawg505

An “extremely rare” Civil War-era photograph of the enslaved woman who helped save Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee's Virginia home has been obtained by the National Park Service after a volunteer spotted the image on eBay.

The previously unknown photograph depicts Selina Gray, the head housekeeper to Lee and his family, along with two girls thought to be her daughters. The photograph was unveiled Thursday at the Arlington House plantation overlooking the nation's capital that was home to Lee and dozens of slaves before the Civil War.

An inscription on the back of the image reads "Gen Lees Slaves Arlington Va."

Park officials said this is only the second known photograph taken of slaves at Arlington.

"It's extremely rare to have an identified photo of an enslaved person," said National Park Service spokeswoman Jenny Anzelmo-Sarles. "Since slaves were considered property, it's very rare to have a photo where you can identify the people in the photo."

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KEYWORDS: arlington; confederacy; interesting; photography; rel; revisionism; robertelee; slavery; slaves; south; ussouth
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Well dressed? Confronted a Union General to save the house? A photograph of her? How could these things be? She looked like a strong woman who did what she needed to do to protect her home too.
1 posted on 10/13/2014 5:56:54 AM PDT by armydawg505
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To: armydawg505
“What I find so fascinating is how well dressed Selina and her daughters are in this photo,” he told the station.

They were obviously household servants and had to present a decent appearance. What did he expect? That they'd be dressed in rags and bound in chains?

2 posted on 10/13/2014 6:00:01 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: armydawg505

General Lee was famous for treating his slaves like valued employees or even quasi-family. It isn’t polite to say so, but a lot of them, especially in the upper South, lived far better than factory workers in the North including better food, living arrangements, time off, old age care and the like.


3 posted on 10/13/2014 6:02:42 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: armydawg505
I'm certainly not defending slavery, but I think the commonly held view of slavery is grossly inaccurate. Prior to 1805, if they died, you'd just ship more over from Africa. After 1805, they were a rather scarce and valuable commodity.

Of course, people ought not to be a "commodity", but the point is that slaveowners had to care about the welfare of their slaves. In the industrial northeast, the factory workers cared far less about their workers -- after all: immigrant labor was arriving every day from Europe, so industrial workers were easily replaced. Unlike slaves.

4 posted on 10/13/2014 6:03:09 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Now is not the time for fear. That comes later.")
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To: Vigilanteman

Yes, that part of history has been swept under the rug.

Most slaves were treated well and as part of the family in many ways.

Basically the modern equivalent would be today’s household pets, many of which are treated like family, but some of which are horribly abused.

Imagine a future in which having pets is thought of as horrible, and all references to pets being treated nicely were wiped from the history books and only stories about dog fights and puppy mills and owners who chain and beat their dogs remained. That’s basically what has happened.


5 posted on 10/13/2014 6:09:49 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: armydawg505

Do the girls look like da’ General?


6 posted on 10/13/2014 6:12:11 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: armydawg505

The pic of the slave women on the Fox News site is a stereoscope picture. Which means it was mass produced at some point in time.


7 posted on 10/13/2014 6:15:19 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: armydawg505

BTW...Those images side-by-side are actually a stereopraph, to be viewed in 3-D in a stereopticon.


8 posted on 10/13/2014 6:16:04 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: armydawg505
"It's extremely rare to have an identified photo of an enslaved person," said National Park Service spokeswoman Jenny Anzelmo-Sarles. "Since slaves were considered property, it's very rare to have a photo where you can identify the people in the photo."

If the yankees hadn't burned so much, maybe more would have survived.

9 posted on 10/13/2014 6:17:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: armydawg505
And she's a freed slave today! ..thanks to Republicans!


10 posted on 10/13/2014 6:19:20 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: 4yearlurker

You beat me by a few seconds. As a retired auctioneer, over 38 years in the budiness I sold quite a few stereopticons and the cards that were used in them


11 posted on 10/13/2014 6:20:28 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Of course it is not meant to defend slavery, but... for accuracy, it needs to be said. Slaves were real expensive and considered a rare "commodity". for that reason alone, they were generally treated well. Unfortunately, not for considering the human aspect of it, but because it was a significant investment.

In fact, in more accurate materials I have read, it was told that in general only the extremely wealthy usually owned slaves because they were a headache... they had to be housed, fed, medical care, they could run off, etc. that kind of money would be much better spent on farm machinery in most cases.

12 posted on 10/13/2014 6:23:57 AM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: Tucker39
Yes. Anybody could write anything on the back of one of the photos but it doesn't make it so. Folks were marketing and bullsh!ting folks back then too. I think the buying party payed a bit to much for the photo.
13 posted on 10/13/2014 6:25:21 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: armydawg505

Her skirt is beautiful - I love the buttons down the front. I wonder if it’s her Sunday best? She looks like a formidable lady! Kept the General and his daughters in line, I’ll bet - just like Mammy in GWTW.

I don’t believe Lee owned the slaves. I believe they belonged to his wife although I get mixed up on this fact.


14 posted on 10/13/2014 6:28:00 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard III: Loyalty Binds Me)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I’m certainly not defending slavery, but I think the commonly held view of slavery is grossly inaccurate. Prior to 1805, if they died, you’d just ship more over from Africa. After 1805, they were a rather scarce and valuable commodity.

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Perhaps that’s one of the reasons the Slave Power wanted to break off as a separate country, they could start importing slaves again.


15 posted on 10/13/2014 6:29:28 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: FunkyZero
Yes. Slavery almost ceased around 1800 -- it wasn't economical. Then Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin, cotton became a profitable commodity, and slavery became economically feasible again. But, in the 1850s, people (Frederick Law Olmsted, for one) were writing books comparing northern factory workers and south slave workers and showing that slaves were more expensive than wage workers. Slavery was on the way out because slave owners couldn't afford to be slave owners.

On many levels, I think the Civil War (like WWI) was a huge mistake. The problem was fixing itself -- now, 150 years later, it's still not fixed. And we ended states rights and built a massive federal government to boot as part of the "solution".

16 posted on 10/13/2014 6:31:03 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("Now is not the time for fear. That comes later.")
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To: Tucker39
I would be more impressed if it was a Tin Type or a Daguerrotype photo. It seems the buying party had to much zeal to make it a "rare slave photo."
17 posted on 10/13/2014 6:31:43 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (Some people say that experts agree!!)
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To: Vigilanteman

It isn’t polite to say so, but a lot of them, especially in the upper South, lived far better than factory workers in the North including better food, living arrangements, time off, old age care and the like.

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If you had the choice, which would you be?


18 posted on 10/13/2014 6:32:56 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: armydawg505; Reagan Man

Robert E. Lee was a great American.


19 posted on 10/13/2014 6:36:30 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: armydawg505

I don’t have all that many ancestors who held slaves, only three who had more than one. In two instances, they lived in the exact sort of building, a German double pen chestnut log structure, that the white people did. Of course that was just the multipurpose structure that they built, their livestock lived in one as well, just as surely as they did. Life in the backcountry on the Carolina wilderness frontier was like that. Practical and gritty, seldom even remotely glamorous.

The owners and family worked alongside the slaves. Their lives were no more grueling than that of their owners. There were several different legal statuses for people in the colonial era, from freeman to bound servant (indentured adult or apprenticed child, usually orphaned) to slave. Slaves could buy their way out of it and some did.

It’s not quite as awful as it’s generally depicted, but it’s not a status that I’d ever want for myself. There were atrocities, these occurred on the huge plantations. Even they didn’t go about damaging or destroying their slave labor randomly out of spite or imputed racism, it was due to disobedience, they were “made an example of” to deter running away, etc. among the hundreds of others.

I don’t advocate it and I don’t want a return to it, but an unvarnished, unpoliticized honesty in discussing the history is long overdue.


20 posted on 10/13/2014 6:40:45 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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