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The Aircraft That Inspired the A-10
Real Clear Defense ^ | September 29, 2014 | Michael Peck

Posted on 09/29/2014 7:29:02 AM PDT by C19fan

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1 posted on 09/29/2014 7:29:02 AM PDT by C19fan
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2 posted on 09/29/2014 7:35:26 AM PDT by rjsimmon (The Tree of Liberty Thirsts)
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I made that Revell model when I was 7. Couldn’t read the instructions so things often required “innovation”. I miss those AC model kits.


3 posted on 09/29/2014 7:43:23 AM PDT by corkoman
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I’d bet that when that cannon was fired, there is a jolt to the pilot and plane! I’d presume that prudence would dictate that only one at a time would be fired.


4 posted on 09/29/2014 7:45:25 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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The name in that Stuka picture - Hans-Ulrich Rudel. He was one helluva pilot. Later in the war he flew a FW190. I read his book Stuka Pilot when I was a kid.

Wiki: Hans-Ulrich Rudel (2 July 1916 – 18 December 1982) was a Stuka dive-bomber pilot during World War II. The most highly decorated German serviceman of the war, Rudel was one of only 27 military men to be awarded the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross with Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds, and the only person to be awarded the Knight’s Cross of the Iron Cross with Golden Oak Leaves, Swords and Diamonds (Ritterkreuz des Eisernen Kreuzes mit goldenem Eichenlaub, Schwertern und Brillanten), Germany’s highest military decoration at the time.[Note 1]

Rudel flew 2,530 combat missions claiming a total of 2,000 targets destroyed; including 800 vehicles, 519 tanks, 150 artillery pieces, 70 landing craft, nine aircraft, four armored trains, several bridges, a destroyer, two cruisers, and the Soviet battleship Marat.[1]


5 posted on 09/29/2014 7:48:44 AM PDT by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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I remember Revell models.
Are they still in business ?


6 posted on 09/29/2014 7:48:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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~ The P47 ~

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7 posted on 09/29/2014 7:53:50 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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Interesting. Always thought the “JUG” inspired the modern day A-10.


8 posted on 09/29/2014 7:54:14 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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Without the A-10 there can be NO CME’s air support as we know it.

Sure fighter bombers can drop bombs and strafe targets but they’re so fragile they could be shot down by small arms fire.

It would take a hell of a lot of small arms fire or yet heavy machine gun fire to take out an A-10.

If the Air Force takes the A10 out of the inventory it will not only be a big mistake for the Air Force.It will also be a mistake that cost the lives of infantry on the ground and the pilots flying Aircraft not up to the capability of the A-10.


9 posted on 09/29/2014 7:55:07 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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10 posted on 09/29/2014 7:56:25 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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Henschel 129 and JU-87 Stuka.

And Hanz Rudel was a hired consultant to Fairchild, who built the A-10.


11 posted on 09/29/2014 7:59:16 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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12 posted on 09/29/2014 7:59:54 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I miss you, dad.)
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There is a functional idiocy at work here in that the Air Force ‘owns’ all of the fixed wing combat jets not belonging to the USN and USMC. The A-10 should belong to the the force that uses it, the US Army. Like the USMC, the pilots who do ground support need to come out of the training and ethos of the ground troops to appreciate their vital need. NOT SAYING that those A-10 pilots have done anything but a good job, it is just that their bosses in the USAF tend to look strategically not tactically which is the role of the A-10.

The A-10 and its successors should belong to the Army, PERIOD! Given the trend to “Joint Basing” and shared resources, I fail to see why we should eliminate the capability in the A-10 because it does not match the future requirements of the USAF.


13 posted on 09/29/2014 8:01:02 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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Do you mind telling me who did that picture and if it has a title or caption?

One of my treasures is a B-17 print “No Empty Bunks Tonight” by Bill Phillips.


14 posted on 09/29/2014 8:02:11 AM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and politics.)
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The B-25. Just look at their tails.


15 posted on 09/29/2014 8:06:29 AM PDT by onedoug
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Army and Marines.

The A-10 should be theirs, not the Air Forces.


16 posted on 09/29/2014 8:08:05 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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What’s incredible is that for the first two years of the war Rudel was thought to be a poor pilot and was denied a combat role because of it.


17 posted on 09/29/2014 8:12:20 AM PDT by vladimir998
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I just searched on “paintings of P47’s” and came up with that one. My great grandad would regale us kids with WW2 stories - he was Army Air Force - B17’s - nineteen years old. Pilot. Anyway Nicolas Trudgian was the artist and I found it here:http://www.aviationartprints.com/thunderbolt.htm


18 posted on 09/29/2014 8:14:45 AM PDT by SkyDancer (I Was Told Nobody Is Perfect But Yet, Here I Am)
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The parallels between the Ju-87 and the A-10 contiue deeper. The Ju-87 was outstanding in the permissive airspace of the Spanish Civil War and the invasion of Poland, but losses to Allied fighters were so great that it had no effect against the Allied invasion of Normandy.

Likewise, the A-10 is surpurb in Iraq and Afghanistan, but wasn’t goung to fare well in a Soviet full scale invasion of Europe or in a neer-peer future conflict.


19 posted on 09/29/2014 8:15:11 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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During 22 years in Air Force R&D I learned not to take Pierre Sprey seriously. He was a monomaniac on "light-weight, low-cost" fighter aircraft. Every combat simulation, including a paper I presented at a meeting of the Operations Research Society of America, showed that these aircraft were nothing but low-cost, light-weight targets. A force consisting of them will get wiped out pretty quickly by a force of higher-performing aircraft.

It's worth noting that the Stuka had pretty well disappeared from the Luftwaffe by the time of the Normandy invasion. Its air-to-air capability was almost nil, and the Stukas got shot out of the sky by P-47s and P-51s.

While I'm in favor of the Air Force keeping the A-10, in a war against a "peer" air force such as Russian or Chinese, the A-10 wouldn't survive long unless protected by F-15s or F-22s. The A-10 can operate and survive only under conditions of air supremacy.

20 posted on 09/29/2014 8:21:51 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY. Available from Amazon.)
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