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To: LibWhacker

Your response contains false dogma (no pun). The photos show dogs that look like pit bulls. Pits kill more people every year than all other types of dogs combined. So a pit involved in a mauling is not anomalous and we can’t logically say that it’s behavior is not representative of the breed.
I’ve read too many accounts of people who raise the dogs gently and then are shocked when the dog becomes agressive. This is why SPCA units are stuffed full of pit bulls. Even this article, someone says this specific dog is normally nice. That’s the problem with pits. They are nice until they are not and then someone or someone’s pet can die or be maimed.
The majority of types of dogs bite and release but pits have been bred to hold on - this is a prized trait among pit bull owners and breeders that they call “gameness”. They have physical attributes and behaviors specific to fighting dogs that are not comparable to other dog types. Most types of dogs won’t hold on despite shouting, screaming, baton strikes and gunshots.
“A hellhound can be produced from any breed. It doesn’t mean the entire breed is bad.”
That’s propaganda. Pits strip arms off, they get out of their enclosures and go hunting for people. They usually don’t even bark or growl prior to attack (a pit fighting advantage) so I’ve seen videos where people can’t figure out how to respond as a pit bull runs up to them - some people realize that you don’t know if the dog wants to play or will try to kill you until he seizes your face or leg. Pit behavior is comparable to wild animals tamed to receive food from people but still unpredictable and capable of damage comparable to wild animal maulings.


25 posted on 09/28/2014 11:45:53 AM PDT by ransomnote
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To: ransomnote
Pits kill more people every year than all other types of dogs combined.

A large part of that is because there are so many 'pit bulls' that there are irresponsible owners or breeders who are breeding for aggression, training for aggression, and not socializing their dogs.

A large part of that is because there are 'bully' breeds that are derived in whole or in part from breeds that were once used to bait bulls and bears, and thirty-five years of breeding for bad traits has undone a hundred years of breeding for good traits.

A large part of that is because while there is only one Pit Bull (the American Pit Bull Terrier), there are three breeds recognized as pit bulls by most professionals (American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, and Staffordshire Terriers), and four breeds by others (American Pit Bull Terriers, American Staffordshire Terriers, Staffordshire Terriers, and American Bulldogs), and more than a dozen breeds or mixes mistakingly identified by the police or media as 'pit bulls' in initial reports that later turn out to be something other than an American Pit Bull Terrier, American Staffordshire Terrier, Staffordshire Terrier, or American Bulldog.

We DO have a 'pit bull' problem. However, when you looks at the deaths caused by Rottweilers, Chows, Malamutes, or Huskies, you're looking at a single breed. Then you look at the deaths caused by 'pit bulls,' you're looking at deaths primarily caused by four breeds and mixes, with another dozen breeds responsible for one or two deaths.

We DO have a 'pit bull' problem, but 'pit bull' is a catch-all phrase just like AR-15 or AK-47.

42 posted on 09/28/2014 12:50:43 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (Opinions don't affect facts. But facts should affect opinions, and do, if you're rational)
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To: ransomnote
Thanks for your reasoned response. I was worried I was just going to get a bunch of name-calling.
The majority of types of dogs bite and release but pits have been bred to hold on - this is a prized trait among pit bull owners and breeders that they call “gameness.
This is precisely my point: they have been bred by unscrupulous breeders to be dangerous, vicious fighting dogs. This has affected the "breed" on a massive scale and is meant to turn out unstable dogs by the tens of thousands, and it does. Millions when you consider all the animals that are then produced by those animals. It is the reason so many "pitbulls" today are dangerous. However, only the "cream of the crop" go on to become fighting dogs. The rest are surrendered to shelters or abandoned. None of them, or few of them are suitable for adoption. These are the dogs we hear about. Remove the human filth from the equation who are breeding them or brutally abusing them (as you rightfully point out, the dogs are essentially wild animals by the time those two groups finish with them), and the breed would return to its more docile roots.

Let me pose you a question: Do you really believe that if every last pitbull on Earth were exterminated tomorrow, dog fighting people wouldn't turn their attention to the next best prospect for becoming the top fighting dog in the world (Saint Bernards, Presa Carnarios, Caucasian Mountain Dogs, or perhaps something that today is a little more domestic, etc.) and in a few short generations completely ruin it in the public eye as well, breeding it for stronger jaws, fearlessness, "gameness," unpredictability, etc. Let me tell you, if they choose Presas or Caucasians, say, public safety will REALLY be in jeopardy and we'll all be talking about the good old days of the pitbull.

43 posted on 09/28/2014 12:57:12 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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