Posted on 09/28/2014 11:00:00 AM PDT by george76
Police received a call for an “unknown trouble” at a Toronto Community Housing Corp. home at Winchester Street and Rose Avenue in Cabbagetown, where they saw bystanders “screaming and yelling” while trying to pry the pit bull away from the shih tzu.
“The policeman was hitting the dog so hard with his baton that it flung out of his hands but the pit bull would not let go,” said Samantha Thornton, a resident in the area. She said the owner of the shih tzu was in “hysterics.”
According to Ms. Thornton, police shot the dog twice in the leg and when it still didn’t release the shih tzu, they shot it in the head.
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Residents in the neighbourhood told the National Post that pit bulls were bred in the building. Pit bull breeding has been illegal since the 2005 Dog Owner’s Liability Act and owners can face a $10,000 fine and six months jail time for noncompliance.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.nationalpost.com ...
I would think choking will make them want to gasp for air and release the bite.
I have used it successfully. So has my daughter. Not a pit, though, a hound and a chow.
Will high quality water work?
It's good to know. I'll keep that one in mind.
Today we went to buy some rabbits and the people had a herd of dogs running around. Little dustmops and medium poodle types and all nice dogs. Here came a pitbull pup wearing a sweater. He was about 6 pounds and barely weaned. They had just bought him. Said to watch out, he bites. Sure enough he grabbed my pants leg and pulled then went to my wife and got her jacket, then bit another dog then my son’s pants. No damage of course. He was really cute and happy but he would not quit biting everything, man or beast. Lady said he has sharp little teeth that hurt. I let him gnaw my hand and I did my old standard pup training trick of folding a lip over his tooth and pushing up gently until he quits biting. Most dogs take a little pressure and quit. This one didn’t mind at all and I ended up pushing hard and he never winced or let up gnawing. I know they are raising a problem if they don’t get on him real soon.
I was seriously considering getting a Caucasian Ovcharka, but after several months of research on the breed, I realized that I would not be able to keep the guy out of trouble as well as I should.
I’ve had dogs from rotties and pit/wolf crosses to a teacup chihuahua, but the above breed is likely beyond my ability to fully train correctly.
As Clint so eloquently said in Dirty Harry, “A man’s got to know his limitations.”
I can handle quite well the vast majority of dogs, but that breed is pretty much beyond my abilities.
I wonder if instead of grabbing legs and pulling...(this didn’t work on dog whisperer when 2 pits got ahold of each other)....I noted Cesar do a maneuver my dad taught me when I was young and we got a new dog.....insert 2 fingers at the back of the mouth and fold LIP over teeth and press down until the dog releases the bite. But would grabbing the balls of the dog and pulling down would work better than pulling the legs.....At the dog whisperer incident, both dogs were held by their back legs and were both off the ground, that when I noted the maneuver my dad taught me....wouldn’t have noted it if I was not aware of it...
that one I never thought of nor heard before...worth a try.
Then, like you probably did, I read the disclaimers from some breeding sites. I know some have been successfully socialized, but at some point a sensible person has to think: No Caucasian Ovcharka as a family dog.
No 210-pound Bully Kuttas either. Let Pakistan keep its own version of a fighting dog.
Pouring lead works better.
How sad for your friend. And horrifying. No one talks about the psychological trauma of having your beloved pet turn on you. The apologists always insist, without data, that it’s only dogs that are abused that become lethal without provocation. We know dogs bred to point, point and sadly, dogs bred to kill, kill.
Exactly right, ransomenote. She was the sweetest dog, and one day, for just a moment, she snapped, and her genes took over. And,,, it was excruciatingly sad for my friend! Ah,,, but it’s just an “anecdotal” story, right?
The reason pits are a pooled group (type) of dogs is because they share ancestry. I think the term is Molossor dogs (an agressive guard dog) was used as a foundational breed for a group of dogs that share agression problems because they were bred to be agressive. This very old ancestry is core and key to the pit bull problem - they were never bred to be companion dogs, they were bred to kill. They do not fit in civil society - their attacks and silent approach, hunting people etc. are not like domesticated dogs. I don’t believe that the problem is irresponsible owners - not when you have different breeds of dogs resulting from common breeding stock all having agression issues. I have yet to see decades of breeding for “good traits” if we are talking about companion dogs. There’s alot of wishful thinking on the part of those who either own or know dogs that never went postal. The problem is there’s no way to tell them apart - I used to believe as you did but then I started watching videos, reading accounts, talking to people who loved their pits but had to give them up (or worse) - it is the breed. The “irresponsible owners” thing doesn’t account for enough bodies but it sure doesn’t help.
Pit bull is a term used to describe the problematically agressive group of genetically related breeds that were bred for agression. Now we can’t tell a “good pit” from a “lethal pit” until the ambulance arrives. I wish it were otherwise, but it is not.
“This is precisely my point: they have been bred by unscrupulous breeders to be dangerous, vicious fighting dogs.”
I wish we agreed on more. :)
The breed was created by, got it’s origin from, continues to be defined by unscrupulous breeders. The breed, from it’s foundational stock, is not suited for community living - it was meant to fight other dogs and kill them, it was meant to fight and never give up and it has a nasty habit of killing people, either strangers or those who have gently and lovingly raised them from puppyhood. I wish there were a blood test or a brain conformation test (CAT scan - no pun) that would identify those which will one day beocme violent but there isn’t. I read recently that one woman walked her dog past another woman on the sidewalk and her dog simply latched onto the woman’s thigh and wouldn’t let go. I’ve watched videos where pits go bouncing up to someone, tongue out, tail waging, right until the attack begins. How can a civil society live with dogs whom may or may not kill and you don’t know if it will attack until the pain and bleeding starts? I’d say about 80 of the time, the news accounts say the dog(s) “got out” and I had a friend who loved his little pit, but she “got out” so much he gave up trying to restrain her. Part of the pet agreement is that leashes and kennels work and back yards work to safely house pets - but pits don’t conform and easily defeat restraints and, here’s the really freakish part, too many pits GO HUNTING! When I had dogs, if they got out I worried about the trash. Too often when pits go out, they attack to kill. Bizarre. When people tell me their pit would lick me to death, I know they actually believe that but no dog owner knows for certain and pits have been bred for gameness (never stop attacking until the other is dead) and have physical attributes that make them unlike dalmations or chihua huas. I feel bad for people who love their pits - but I worry about the safety of those people too. And I just got tired of reading “kid loses face” and owners say the dog “got out.” The apologists state as fact information that flies in the face of the countless accounts and videos etc. I wish it were different, but these dogs are not fit for domesticated dog status.
Reading through the accounts of good=family-attacked-by-pits, I read of a mother and pup (youn’un was about 14 months old) happily sleeping next to the couch where loving family watched TV. One family member stood up. They didn’t step on the dog. The Pup attacked and began maiming, the mother pit “corrected” her pit with big growls and bites. The mother pit understood something horrible had happened and she went and lay by the door, whimpering and frightened.
But what if a family member did step on the dog? I have a faint scar under my eye from a time when I was about 7 years old and I ran up to the steps where the big ranch dog was waiting to be let in. I stepped on her tail. She bit and released with a bark of pain. Both parties were unhappy but it was understood that all things considered, she did the minimum to stop the sudden pain she experienced and she’s a dog, she can’t help it. But c’mon, what happens if you accidentally hurt a pit like the ones we’re talking about? What if you stand up while watching TV and step on your pit? Should it kill you? In this case, it tried to do so for no reason, even mamma dog was shocked. But it’s the physical strenght/attributes and that darned “gameness” that means it’s not over until maximum damage is accomplished. This can’t be an acceptable companion dog and the apologists convince people to “give a dog a chance” and who doesn’t want that? We all want to protect animals and give them a chance, and still, pits end up ripping arms off without provocation. It’s a different class of behavior and it’s sad when pit apologists insist on throwing the owner under the bus: if you pit attacked you or anyone, you must be an abuser. It’s not true. Horrible story on dogsbite.org about a baby killed by a pit. Pit apologists refuse to admit the type of pit fighting animal is to blame so they focus blame on the owner. In this case, the owner of the dogs was almost killed herself (her beloved pets grabbed her by the thigh and pulled her to the ground JUST TO GET TO THE BABY) trying to protect the baby with her body, but the pits DUG UNDER HER BODY! It’s that gameness, the killer instinct that worked in pit fighting for monsterous people who like to see one dog kill another. But the breed remains unsuited for environments when death is not wanted. I watched videos on that website where people with heavily bandaged faces, lying in hospital beds, fret about how they are going to be able to afford years of reconstructive surgery - it just shouldn’t happen.
Good to hear from someone else who understands! And what a horrible story about the baby! Still, the apologists will say it’s the owner’s fault, and that the story is just an anecdote’ How many anecdotes does it take to make actual data?
Back at ya, Dr! It’s good to hear from you too. This is a great, if painful, essay to read (re the baby) because it ties together many different elements of the issue in one account.
http://blog.dogsbite.org/2013/07/beyond-the-interview-essay-of-a-fatal-pit-bull-mauling.html
It’s about the baby/well intentioned baby-sitter/grieving family, and the pit bull advocates who harrassed them AFTER their baby was killed - in hopes of advancing pit bull advocacy!
It's fine to say we have a problem with pit bulls in this country, because we do, but don't ignore facts.
If you say the American Pit Bull Terrier, the American Staffordshire Terrier, and the Staffordshire Terrier were never bred to be companion dogs, then you are ignoring over a century of history.
In particular, to say Staffordshire Terriers were never bred to be companion dogs is to deny the existence of the breed.
You and I both agree that we have a 'pit bull' problem in this country, but I doubt we'll agree on much else.
agreed. I appreciate your Freeper civility in addressing someone you don’t agree with (me) with marked Freeper civility.
PS: I was referring to the breeding of pit fighting dogs
and here’s one source I based my comment on:
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Q: What is the history of the pit bull?
The blood sport of “bull baiting” began over 1,000 years ago in England (various sources dispute this date). What is undisputed is that by 1500, bull baiting had progressed to Britain’s national pastime. Bulldogs were reportedly first mentioned by name in 1631, referring to their function rather than a distinct dog breed. By 1800, and through further selective breeding, the bulldog developed into a compact muscular dog characterized by tremendous jaw strength.2
Due to public outrage, bull baiting was banned in England in 1835. Bulldog breeders and owners then moved to the sport of “ratting,” where a number of rats were placed into a pit and wagers were made on how many rats the dog could kill in a certain time period. To increase agility, quickness and prey-drive in the bulldog, ratters crossed the breed with terriers. Essentially, it was the sport of ratting that combined the bulldog and terrier into the modern day pit bull terrier.
On the heels of ratting, dogfighting developed. Pit bulls and dogfighting were exported to America as settlers made their way to the New World. In 1884, the American Kennel Club was formed but rejected pit bulls due to their use in dogfighting. In response, Chauncey Z. Bennett formed the United Kennel Club in 1898 to bring formal recognition to the pit bull breed. At that time, Bennett also drew up rules and regulations for dogfighting to bring “organization” to the blood sport.3
Q: What is dogfighting and what does it have to do with pit bulls?
Pit bulls are the dog of choice amongst dogmen, individuals who fight their pit bulls against other pit bulls. Dogmen consider pit bull terriers, who they commonly call “100% bulldogs,” to be the ultimate canine gladiator. Pit bulls were selectively bred for “gameness,” the ability to finish a fight. A truly gamedog will continue fighting “on stumps,” two or more broken legs, and far worse.4 (Please see excerpts from The Complete Gamedog, by Ed and Chris Faron to learn more).
I appreciate your civility as well.
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