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Bill Clinton: Netanyahu 'not the guy' to strike lasting Middle East peace deal
The Guardian ^ | 09/16/2014 | Dan Roberts

Posted on 09/16/2014 10:57:51 AM PDT by Rusty0604

Former US president recorded going off-message in criticising the Israeli government’s unwillingness to seek peace

Bill Clinton has been recorded going off-message and criticising the Israeli government’s unwillingness to seek peace with Palestinians in unguarded comments that contrast with other leading Democrats, including his wife, potential presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

Though brief and apparently unscripted, the exchange, which was recorded by C-Span and picked up by Israeli newspaper Haaretz, is in stark contrast to recent comments by Hillary Clinton, who has been more supportive of Netanyahu’s handling of the recent conflict in Gaza.

The Obama administration has also been less critical of Israeli policy of late, despite White House anger after the collapse of the 2013/14 peace process led by Secretary of State John Kerry – though it could possibly be dialling back any criticism out of fear of being accused of being soft on Islamist terrorism while it confronts militants in Syria and Iraq.

Even Massachusetts senator Elizabeth Warren, among the most liberal of the Democrats discussed as possible 2016 presidential candidates, has been become more hawkish following a visit to Israel and has publicly backed its behaviour in Gaza.

Whether Bill Clinton’s comments reflect the private thinking of these other leading Democrats is impossible to tell, but they also serve as a reminder that should Hillary Clinton run for president, the presence of a vocal and very opinionated spouse on the campaign trail creates added opportunity for embarrassment and even inadvertent policy shifts.

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1 posted on 09/16/2014 10:57:51 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

This from the man who refused to kill Bin Laden giving us thousands dead from 911 and the war on terror.

Go hide in shame somewhere Mr. Clinton. Take your worthless wife with you as well.


2 posted on 09/16/2014 10:59:29 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Rusty0604
For those who may have forgotten what kind of a President Bill Clinton was:

1) Clinton’s own words show his often expressed innate hostility to, and utter contempt for, the core principles of the American founding:

``If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government’s ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.’’ -- President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993

``The purpose of government is to reign in the rights of the people’’ –- Bill Clinton during an interview on MTV in 1993

``We can’t be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans…that we forget about reality.’’ -- President Bill Clinton, quoted in USA Today, March 11, 1993, Page 2A, ``NRA change: `Omnipotent to powerful’’’ by Debbie Howlett

“When we got organized as a country and we wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to Americans, it was assumed that the Americans who had that freedom would use it responsibly… that they would work for the common good, as well as for the individual welfare… However, now there’s a lot of irresponsibility. And so a lot of people say there’s too much freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, you have to move to limit it.” – Bill Clinton, April 19, 1995

2) Clinton inevitably pursued his own political advantage at the expense of American interests and national security. Here is just one of many possible examples:

It is well documented that Clinton and the Democrats took illegal campaign money from groups and individuals tied directly to the Chinese People’s Republican Army. It is therefore not surprising that In January 1998 Clinton went against the advice of then-Secretary of State Warren Christopher and Pentagon experts by lifting long-standing restrictions against the export of American satellites to China for launch on Chinese rockets. Not only did he move control over such decisions from the more security-focused State Department to the Commerce Department, but he intervened in a Justice Department investigation of Loral Space & Communications, retroactively enabling Loral to sell critical missile technology to the Chinese. Interestingly enough, Clinton’s decision was made at the request of Loral CEO Bernard Schwartz, whose earlier $1.3 million campaign donation made him the single biggest contributor to the Democratic election effort.

The result, as stated eloquently by syndicated columnist Linda Bowles, was that “the Democrats got money from satellite companies and from Chinese communists; China got supercomputors, advanced production equipment and missile technology; Loral got its satellites launched at bargain basement prices . . . and the transfer of sensitive missile technology gave China [for the first time] the capability of depositing bombs on American cities.” Incidentally, Loral ultimately failed to benefit from this permanent injury to America’s security interests: in July 2003, the company filed for bankruptcy protection, and in order to raise cash was forced to sell its most profitable business – a fleet of communications satellites orbiting over North America.

3) On two occasions, Clinton used military action for the specific purpose of distracting the American public from the fallout of the Lewinsky affair:

• On August 20, three days after Clinton finally admitted publicly to the Lewinsky affair, the news media was poised to focus on that day’s grand jury testimony by Monica Lewinsky. That same morning, Clinton personally went on national television to gravely announce his bombing of a Sudanese “chemical weapons factory,” and a terrorist training camp in Afghanistan. It was the first time most Americans ever heard the name of Osama bin Laden. The factory bombing in Sudan killed an innocent night watchman, but accomplished little else. It later was proven that the plant was making badly needed pharmaceuticals for people in that poverty-stricken part of the world, but no chemical weapons.

Several months later, the U.S. Center for Nonproliferation Studies, part of the Monterey Institute of International Studies, stated: "...the evidence indicates that the facility had no role whatsoever in chemical weapons development." Kroll Associates, one of the world's most reputable investigative firms, also confirmed that there was no link in any way between the plant and any terrorist organization. As for the Afghanistan bombing, it failed to do any damage at all to bin Laden or his organization. Clinton’s action was accurately characterized by George W. Bush when he said right after 9-11: "When I take action, I’m not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt.

Clinton’s pointless and murderous military actions did not make Americans safer that day, although they did destroy an innocent life, and for all the good they did certainly could have been delayed in any case. But they did succeed in diverting media attention from Lewinsky’s grand jury testimony for a 24-hour news cycle, which was the main point. So I guess, they weren’t a total loss.

•On December 16, 1998, on the eve of the scheduled House vote on his impeachment, Bill Clinton launched a surprise bombing attack on Baghdad. As justification for this exploit, he cited the urgent threat that Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction posed to America, and the need for immediate action. Almost immediately, the House Democrats held a caucus and emerged calling for a delay in the impeachment proceedings. House minority leader Dick Gephardt made a statement: "We obviously should pass a resolution by saying that we stand behind the troops. I would hope that we do not take up impeachment until the hostilities have completely ended."

Conveniently, a delay so near the end of the House term would have caused the vote to be taken up in the next session – when the newly elected House membership would be seated with more Democratic representation, thereby improving Clinton’s chances of dodging impeachment.

The Republicans did, in fact, agree to delay the hearings, but only for a day or two. Amazingly, Clinton ended the bombing raid after only 70 hours -- once it became clear that in spite of the brief delay, the vote would still be held in the current session.

Once the bombing stopped, Clinton touted the effectiveness and importance of the mission. As reported by ABC News : “We have inflicted significant damage on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction programs, on the command structures that direct and protect that capability, and on his military and security infrastructure,” he said. Defense secretary William Cohen echoed the point: “We estimate that Saddam's missile program has been set back by at least a year.”

Whether or not one buys Clinton’s assessment of that mission, it is difficult to believe that its timing was so critical that it required commencement virtually at the moment the House was scheduled to vote on the impeachment. I think the most reasonable conclusion is that Clinton cynically deployed US military assets and placed military personnel in harm’s way for purely political reasons.

4) Clinton’s reckless sexual behavior was a threat to American national security:

Clinton and his supporters have been very effective in persuading large numbers of Americans that the Lewinsky scandal was “only about sex.” But I see a bigger issue here, because Clinton is on record as saying that he would have done anything to keep knowledge of the Lewinsky affair from becoming public.

To me, that statement raises a very serious question: What if, instead of sending her recorded Lewinsky conversations to Ken Starr, Linda Tripp had instead secretly offered them for sale, say, to the Chinese government? Or to the Russians? Or even to agents of Saddam?

What kind of blackmail leverage would those tapes have provided to a foreign government in dealing with America on sensitive trade, security or military issues? One of the few things Clinton ever said that I believe is that he would have done anything to keep the Lewinsky affair secret. Given his demonstrated track record of selling out American interests for personal or political gain (and there are more examples that I could have cited here), how far would he have gone in compromising America’s real interests in order to protect his own neck when threatened with blackmail?

Pretty far, I believe. Equally distressing is the prospect Clinton might, in fact, have succumbed to foreign black mail on other occasions in order to hide different sexual episodes that ultimately did not become public. There is no way to know, of course, but I prefer presidents for whom such a scenario is not a plausible possibility.

And don’t even get me started on the war crime in Kosovo.

WAR IN KOSOVO

During Bill Clinton’s 1999 NATO-led war in Kosovo – which according to some estimates cost as much as $75 billion – we bombed Belgrade for 78 days, killed almost 3,000 civilians, and shredded the civilian infrastructure (including every bridge across the Danube.)

We devastated the environment, bombed the Chinese embassy, came very close to engaging in armed combat against Russian forces, and in general, pursued a horrific and inhumane strategy to rain misery on the civilian population of Belgrade in order to pressure Milosevic into surrendering.

Why did we do all that? The US did not even have an arguable interest in the Balkans, and no one ever tried to claim that Serbia represented any kind of threat to our nation or our interests.

But for months the Clinton administration had told us that Milosevic was waging a vicious genocide against Albanian Muslims, and needed to be stopped. The New York Times called it a “humanitarian war.” In March 1999 – the same month that the bombing started – Clinton’s State Department publicly suggested that as many as 500,000 Albanian Kosovars had been murdered by Milosevic’s regime. In May of that year, as the bombing campaign was drawing to a close, Secretary of Defense William Cohen lowered that estimate 100,000.

Five years after the bombing, after all the forensic investigations had been completed, the prosecutors at Milosevic’s “War Crimes” trial in the Hague were barely been able to document a questionable figure of perhaps 5,000 “bodies and body parts.” During the war, the American people were told that Kosovo was full of mass graves filled with the bodies of murdered Albanian Muslims. But none were ever found.

BILL CLINTON ECONOMIC PERFORMANCE

During the election cycle of 1992, George H.W. Bush lost his job after Bill Clinton hammered him relentlessly for having caused the “worst economy of the last 50 years.”

In fact, as CNN’s Brooke Jackson has reported: “Three days before Christmas 1992, the National Bureau of Economic Research finally issued its official proclamation that the recession had ended 21 months earlier. What became the longest boom in U.S. history actually began nearly two years before Clinton took office.” See (See http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/10/31/jackson.recession.primer.otsc/).

By the same token, Clinton is generally perceived as having a stellar economic record during his own presidency, in spite of the fact that the economy was already starting to decline during the last year of his term after the stock market crashed in March 2000.

According to a report by MSNBC: “The longest economic expansion in U.S. history faltered so much in the summer of 2000 that business output actually contracted for one quarter, the government said Wednesday in releasing a comprehensive revision of the gross domestic product. Based on new data, the Commerce Department said that the GDP — the country’s total output of goods and services — shrank by 0.5 percent at an annual rate in the July-September quarter of 2000.” See: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3676690/ns/business-stocks_and_economy/t/gdp-figures-revised-downward/.

3 posted on 09/16/2014 11:01:51 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Rusty0604

He is becoming Jimmy Carter...


4 posted on 09/16/2014 11:02:23 AM PDT by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: A CA Guy

Just now saw this breaking news:

Residents of the Eshkol Regional Council reported Tuesday night that a rocket was fired from Gaza, falling outside of one of the local communities.

The IDF in the last few minutes confirmed that rocket was fired from Gaza and landed on the Israeli side of the security fence, in the first such attack by Gaza terrorists since the ceasefire went into effect on August 26.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/185180#.VBh7Qpt0wdk


5 posted on 09/16/2014 11:02:59 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Maceman

``If the personal freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution inhibit the government’s ability to govern the people, we should look to limit those guarantees.’’ — President Bill Clinton, August 12, 1993

``The purpose of government is to reign in the rights of the people’’ –- Bill Clinton during an interview on MTV in 1993

Thanks for the reminder!


6 posted on 09/16/2014 11:04:22 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604
Well, at least Hamas had enough time to reload their supplies for war and dig more tunnels right?

If this were us and Mexico or Canada were lobbing missiles into the USA we would end them. IMO Israel should do the same with Hamas and the rest of them until that population wants to live in peace or elsewhere.

7 posted on 09/16/2014 11:05:01 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Rusty0604

x42 is correct ... Bibi can and should wage all out war and to hell with ‘em ... pun intended


8 posted on 09/16/2014 11:05:18 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true .. I have no proof .. but they're true.)
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To: Rusty0604

He is the only guy, Bill. Why don’t you just shut up.


9 posted on 09/16/2014 11:05:21 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Rusty0604

the Israeli government’s unwillingness to seek peace

Riight horn dog, what would you know about it?
I have watched the Israeli state make peace over
and over my whole life, only to see each attempt
negated by arab mendacity and duplicity.

Hey Horndog maybe you better put some ice on it.


10 posted on 09/16/2014 11:06:19 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Maceman

Bill Clinton is a traitor for his dealings with China and accepting bribes to transfer missile technology. He should have been pit in prison in 1997 and still be there.


11 posted on 09/16/2014 11:07:47 AM PDT by morphing libertarian
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To: A CA Guy

“If this were us and Mexico or Canada were lobbing missiles into the USA we would end them”

Do you really think Obama would end them, especially from Mexico? He would probably say we brought it on ourselves for being racists.


12 posted on 09/16/2014 11:12:35 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: knarf

bump


13 posted on 09/16/2014 11:14:16 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Rusty0604

Hey Bill, why don’t you go back to doing what you do best, receiving BJ’s from any woman who can walk


14 posted on 09/16/2014 11:15:55 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Sarah Barracuda

Do they really have to walk?


15 posted on 09/16/2014 11:20:00 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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To: Rusty0604

Where is syphilis when we need it?


16 posted on 09/16/2014 11:20:49 AM PDT by VR-21 (Next Stop, Willoughby.)
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To: A CA Guy

Honey-pot seeking Clinton signed that Gaza
would be demilitarized.

Netanyahu noted that lie and therefore is ‘unacceptable’.


17 posted on 09/16/2014 11:25:33 AM PDT by Diogenesis (The EXEMPT Congress is complicit in the absence of impeachment)
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To: Rusty0604

Actually, they don’t, all they have to do is be able to sit on their knees


18 posted on 09/16/2014 11:35:02 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Rusty0604

IMHO, Slick Willie is still the loser that I always thought he was. A real moron.


19 posted on 09/16/2014 12:02:42 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Don't just stand there! Help fight political correctness!)
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To: A CA Guy

This from the man who refused to kill Bin Laden giving us thousands dead from 911 and the war on terror.

Go hide in shame somewhere Mr. Clinton. Take your worthless wife with you as well.


A fact lost on history... Every time I see his fake smiling I’m reminded of his role in this tragedy.


20 posted on 09/16/2014 12:05:13 PM PDT by patriotspride
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