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Did the NFL indefinitely suspend Ray Rice because they saw the video or because we saw it?
9/9/2014 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 09/09/2014 8:39:13 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

Did the NFL suspend Ray Rice indefinitely after he was given an initial 2 game suspension because A.) they saw the video inside the elevator, or B.) because we saw the inside-the-elevator video?

If it is because of A, then why did they formulate a 6 game suspension to be followed by banning for a second offense and not apply the 6 game rule to Ray Rice? If this is because the inside-the-elevator video surfaced, then will the NFL have a system for those who are caught by video and those not caught by video?

In the end, IMHO, Ray Rice should have been given indefinite suspension when the outside-the-elevator video surfaced, and not just a 2 game suspension, and let him earn his return like Michael Vick did.


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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

BLUF - I am not impressed with the “life-long” suspension.

Wasn’t Mike Vick supposed to suspended indefinitely in 2007 after the dog fighting charges surfaced? Didn’t Vick serve 18 months in a Federal Prison? Wasn’t he reinstated and picked up by the Philadelphia Eagles in 2009?

Guess “life-long” and “indefinite” mean different things for you and me and football stars.


41 posted on 09/09/2014 9:22:03 AM PDT by Nip (BOHEICA and TANSTAAFL - both seem very appropriate today.)
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To: boycott
"The NFL needs to become more of a no thug league or people will start tuning out. "

Yes but not because people will start tuning out [they won't, violence is appreciated by fans] Yes because it is the right thing to do.

42 posted on 09/09/2014 9:25:04 AM PDT by ex-snook (God forgives because God is Love)
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To: Resolute Conservative

I demand it accurately reflect race demographics in its player rosters. Then I will watch it, MAYBE.

...true enough...but of course will never happen because...well, just because...

...diversity is for everyone, but for some more than others...


43 posted on 09/09/2014 9:25:13 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: nikos1121

“Yeah, but he comes down with a life suspension. Kinda harsh, don’t you think?”

Ray Rice will be back in the League within a year. Goodell will get a liberal female figure to act as Rice’s P-O and Rabbi — say Oprah Winfrey. Rice will go on her show along with his wife to do a nationwide interview. Suitably chastened for the Left & wishy-washy Middle, the commissioner will have enough cover to reinstate.

The Michael Vick two-step!


44 posted on 09/09/2014 9:26:33 AM PDT by Tallguy (I)
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To: nikos1121

I’m all for the discipline, but there should be some opportunity for redemption

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This wasn’t just a case of wife beating. She could have been gravely injured or killed by that blow He is not a flabby Joe Sixpack; he is a powerful athlete who is basically a battering ram on the field.

After being knocked unconscious she was dragged out of elevator like a bag of trash. You’re very forgiving but some behavior is so violent and disgusting it has to be severely punished.

He has made at least $25 million so he has the resources redeem/rehabilitate himself. There’s nothing stopping him from doing this on his own.


45 posted on 09/09/2014 9:27:26 AM PDT by Starboard
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To: boycott

If they truly want quotas, I am for it.

...so am I...let’s have quotas everywhere, except of course where I work...


46 posted on 09/09/2014 9:30:07 AM PDT by IrishBrigade (')
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To: Nip

Nobody said indefinitely is life time. There’s a separate life time ban. Indefinite suspension means just what the word means according to the dictionary: without fixed or specified limit, not clearly defined. In practical terms it means “we’ll talk about this later”, for Vick they revisited it after he got out of jail.


47 posted on 09/09/2014 9:32:34 AM PDT by discostu (We don't leave the ladies crying cause the story's sad.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Everybody is seeing what they want to see in this video.

It is very jerky. You can not see motion. You can not hear any audio.

It could well be that Rice barely touched his wife, and merely knocked her down when she was already falling-down drunk.

Or it could be that he smacked her like the Russian Drago hitting Rocky in Rocky IV.

But the characterization that he “knocked her out cold” is manifestly false. A minute after she fell, she was sitting on the floor and moving under her own power.

There is little in that video that cannot be attributed to drunkenness, which is something they both admitted to.


48 posted on 09/09/2014 9:35:11 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

BECAUSE WE SAW IT........
The NFL is BIG BROTHER on steroids. No question it knew every detail of this assault.


49 posted on 09/09/2014 9:37:51 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (I am an American. Not a Republican or a Democrat.)
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To: F15Eagle

The NFL protects the NFL first and foremost and no one should be confused.

The only surprising part is that they wrongly thought that the video would never be seen by the public.

I’m not buying the excuse that they just became aware of the elevator video.

A secret is only a secret if the one person with the secret knows and doesn’t tell anybody.

There were enough security cameras and security people that it was bound to come out


50 posted on 09/09/2014 9:39:00 AM PDT by rights with responsibilities
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

He should have had her fight against some pit bulls and then hang her and shoot her after she lost.


51 posted on 09/09/2014 9:41:18 AM PDT by longfellow (Bill Maher, the 21st hijacker.)
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To: mmichaels1970

You’re right, thank you for the correction.


52 posted on 09/09/2014 10:11:21 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
It was known at the time Rice got suspended, that the police and Ray's lawyer had a copy of the tape showing a Joe Frazier quality left hook to the jaw. Let's assume the NFL didn't have a copy of the tape. When interviewed, Ray and the fiancé coordinate a story whereby she started things, Ray pushed her and she fell; hitting her head and knocking her out cold.

Upon hearing her state Ray has never hit her, and her assurance that it was an accident, and they are both in counseling, and blah-blah-blah. It was simple to resolve if you were Roger Goodell. Take leniency and give him only two games suspension, CONDITIONED UPON THE TAPE CORRABORATING THEIR STORY!!!. "Ray, have your lawyers send us the tape. As soon as we see it, we'll announce only 2 games. If we don't get the tape, you are suspended indefinitely, until we finish our investigation (which will not be concluded until we get a copy of the tape)."

End of story

53 posted on 09/09/2014 10:16:46 AM PDT by Go Gordon (Barack McGreevey Obama)
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To: Starboard

I read somewhere, maybe here, that the video with audio was really bad.


54 posted on 09/09/2014 10:20:07 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: Perdogg

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- Ray Rice - another “Son of Obama” . . .

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55 posted on 09/09/2014 10:40:59 AM PDT by devolve (- "If Obama puts on a USMC t-shirt to play basketball it does not mean he has any balls! -)
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To: defconw

I am struggling with whether an employer has the right to terminate someone for something done at home.

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Testing positive on a drug test? Just a thought.


56 posted on 09/09/2014 10:41:06 AM PDT by dmz
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To: dmz
As I said earlier in the thread. We have de facto consented to that. I have not been in favor of that either from a civil libertarian point of view.

You have a right as an employer to demand that I not be impaired on your job site. Other then that it should be no ones business what you do on your own time. That's my point. How long before they weigh you before you can have lunch?

Yuck it up! Ask the smokers how long it became for them to become a pariah?

57 posted on 09/09/2014 10:50:44 AM PDT by defconw (Both parties have clearly lost their minds!)
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Just came across this Longer video shows obscenities, spitting in Ray Rice incident.

Longer version?

58 posted on 09/09/2014 10:53:04 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: PghBaldy

Regardless of video, how dumb does the NFL think fans are?

What do they think happened to her ? did a ceiling tile fall on her head?


59 posted on 09/09/2014 11:05:51 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
"Did the NFL indefinitely suspend Ray Rice because they saw the video or because we saw it?"

They saw the video when the gave him the two game suspension. When the video hit the internet the NFL banned him and he got cut from the Ravens.

So, ya know...

60 posted on 09/09/2014 11:08:14 AM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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