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Let Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame already
cnn opinion ^ | aug 21st 2014 | Mike Downey

Posted on 08/23/2014 11:08:25 AM PDT by OL Hickory

By this point, you have made up your own mind, as so many of us have. You are from one of two camps. One is the "hasn't Pete suffered enough? The other is the "Pete got exactly what he deserved"

I occupy the former.

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TOPICS: Society; Sports
KEYWORDS: baseball; gambling; pete; rose
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To: kenmcg

I just always loved him. All he could do was play baseball but he gave it his all.


81 posted on 08/23/2014 2:07:26 PM PDT by jocon307
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To: Delta Dawn

And you know that how?


82 posted on 08/23/2014 2:07:35 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: BipolarBob
He’s no more crooked than the rest. Let him in.

I disagree. By today's standard of corruption, Pete Rose is a saint!

Let him in already!

83 posted on 08/23/2014 2:08:39 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: MosesKnows
Yes, as is Ty Cobb.

What rule of MLB did George Herman Ruth break repeatedly, then lie about to the Commissioner of Baseball and the public?

When caught in his lies, did Ruth continue to lie to the public?

Did he continue to lie about breaking that rule for 25 years?

84 posted on 08/23/2014 2:16:27 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: kenmcg
How many of those players AGREED to a lifetime ban in return for Major League Baseball not publicly releasing the evidence it had against them?

If you want Peter Edward Rose to be eligible for the Baseball Hal of Fame, at the very least, don't you want Major League Baseball to first publicly release every scrap of evidence it has against him?

85 posted on 08/23/2014 2:19:31 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: Delta Dawn
Without [Rose] in the HoF, the Hall has a void from that era.

Does that mean that, without Shoeless Joe Jackson, the Hall has a void from that era and Jackson should be put in the Hall of Fame?

Cooperstown contains baseball history and baseball milestones, as well as honoring certain persons who (a) meet the Hall's eligibility standards and (b) are voted in the by BBWA or the Veterans' Committee.

Rose's baseball history and milestones are already in the Hall of Fame. There is no void from that era.

And . . . he hasn't paid the price for gambling. Gambling had a price tag on it, and Rose saw that price tag multiple times almost every day when he was a player or manager. Rule 21d stated the price for gambling on baseball was lifetime suspension.

When someone knows what the price is ahead of time, agrees to the price in writing, and repeatedly lies about the entire transaction, I have little sympathy about enforcing the agreed-upon price.

86 posted on 08/23/2014 2:31:26 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: PAR35

From Wikipedia(This was all published at the time that this happened):

In 2004, after years of public denial, Rose admitted to betting on baseball and on, but not against, the Reds.


Rose admitted in 2004 that he did bet on baseball. He thought that this would give him a chance to get back into baseball, but baseball only drove the knife deeper...If there was proof that Rose actually managed in an attempt to throw games in order to win bets, I would support his banishment...To date, I am unaware of any such proof...


87 posted on 08/23/2014 2:32:35 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Farmer Dean
Exactly.Pete Rose is a miserable excuse for a human being.He just happened to be able to play baseball

your asinine statement is pathetic....speaking of miserable excuses...

88 posted on 08/23/2014 2:32:57 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Gay State Conservative
Here,we have Ty Cobb...and next to him is Hank Aaron....and next to *him* is Lou Gherig.And now we're making room for Pete Rose's exhibit right next to that of the Yankee Clipper. *That* would be a joke.

why...he was at least as good a player as they were and the hall of fame exists to pay tribute to those who excelled at playing baseball

89 posted on 08/23/2014 2:37:14 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Scoutmaster

There was never any proof that Shoeless Joe ever did anything to attempt to throw that series. In fact, in an ironic twist, he had HoF numbers for the series...


90 posted on 08/23/2014 2:37:56 PM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: terycarl

Oh,just bite it.


91 posted on 08/23/2014 2:39:35 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: fatnotlazy
Not being in the Hall of Fame doesn't fit my definition of suffering

it does if you are among the very best to have EVER played the game.....as an aside, do you think he'd be boycotted if he were...........black??

92 posted on 08/23/2014 2:40:58 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: OL Hickory

No. Make him eligible, but let the voters for the Hall decide.

Those voters are making sure that the big dopers aren’t getting in: Sosa, Bonds, Clements, etc.

They might decide the same with Rose. Then he’ll wish he were still in that select group with only Shoeless Joe Jackson. I hear more about Shoeless than I ever do about 99% of those in the HOF.


93 posted on 08/23/2014 2:44:34 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: Scoutmaster
Wouldn't you say that Rose, even if eligible, strikes out completely in the integrity and character department?

You really want to go back and apply that standard to the men already in the HoF? Are we sure every HoFer set a standard for integrity and character? Should the alcoholics, adulterers, etc. in there be removed?

There are other ways to honor men who live blameless lives. Excellence in baseball doesn't mean excellence of character. Rose is not baseball's all-time leader in hits because of his gambling. By excluding men like Rose and Joe Jackson, the HoF only undermines it's own credibility.
94 posted on 08/23/2014 2:48:28 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: gusty
He is lying that he bet on his team “every night.” If the bookmakers got wind, and they would, that he was, they would not take his action. Why, because if the Reds were an above average team, the bookmakers would lose, and they are not in the business of losing

nonsense...odds change and the bookies bet accordingly' I believe that he bet on his team to win every time, and the oddsmakers know exactly how to handle that.

95 posted on 08/23/2014 2:50:36 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Farmer Dean
Oh,just bite it.

another high class comment from you.....impressive!!

96 posted on 08/23/2014 3:00:50 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl
the hall of fame exists to pay tribute to those who excelled at playing baseball and who,while involved in the game,didn't bring shame or disrepute to the game.
97 posted on 08/23/2014 3:03:30 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party policy;Lie,deny,refuse to comply)
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To: terycarl

I find it interesting that you seem to identify with losers/liars.
Oh well,if you like your loser you can keep your loser.
I will not respond to any further posts from you.


98 posted on 08/23/2014 3:04:47 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Delta Dawn

I agree with you for the most point. The most damning evidence against him, his purported grand jury testimony published in 1920, does not appear in the stenographic record of the grand jury.


99 posted on 08/23/2014 3:09:47 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
The lack of integrity and character of others in the Hall of Fame is not a lack of integrity and character related to a violation of Rule 21d. Rose knew the penalty for a violation of that Rule.

Rose's achievements are honored in the Hall of Fame.

100 posted on 08/23/2014 3:12:57 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (I'd rather be at Philmont)
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