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1 posted on 08/19/2014 11:37:57 AM PDT by Rusty0604
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This aint nothing new. I got the hell beat out of me by the LAPD 40 years ago. I was drunk and ready for a fight. It’s different with cops nowadays. I don’t give them a hard time. Lots of cops have PTSD and are uptight and jumpy. Always keep it cool. Lower the stress level.
Cops have nothing to do with any of the political BS we are all upset about.


40 posted on 08/19/2014 12:34:00 PM PDT by olepap (Your old Pappy)
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But if you believe (or know) that the cop stopping you is violating your rights or is acting like a bully, I guarantee that the situation will not become easier if you show your anger and resentment.

So, the trained professional, who is there to serve and protect, tells YOU THE CITIZEN to keep you emotions in check.

That is just rich.

46 posted on 08/19/2014 12:52:28 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Settled science.)
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how can you refuse a vehicle search if he says if you argue with him’you could get batoned, sprayed, tasered’orshot?

what makes you believe he’d accept your refusal? or would he regard declining as “probable cause” - which it isn’t - and rip’your car apart with a k-9 unit.


49 posted on 08/19/2014 12:57:06 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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I tell you some people here are just plain nuts! Why isn’t obeying a police officer fine in almost all cases? They are simply doing their jobs. And the jobs we expect them to do, safely and securely.
How would any of you haters out there like to do that job knowing any stop you make could easily end your life these days!
He was advocating camera use too. That was all bases are covered. Stop hating and being like these idiot protestors in Ferguson!


51 posted on 08/19/2014 1:15:51 PM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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And if you really can't function with some give and take—a few nasty names, a little argument—of the sort that people in all sorts of jobs put up with every damned day, do us all a favor: quit.

This "conclusion" is where this "supercop" and I part company.

First of all, NO people in all sorts of jobs should ever be expected to tolerate "nasty names and a little argument," In fact, most local "public employees" are very good at not tolerating a "smidgen" of that, rightly so.

Secondly, with the authority that cops are assigned, there is an obligation, too, not to overreach.
As the article at the link asserts, how can you comply with an aggressive "ask no questions" cop? There is nothing disrespectful or aggressive with, for example, "what did I do" or "why have you stopped me?"

Personally, I have had nothing but good experience the few times I have been stopped by an LEO, even when things were marginal, so I have no knee-jerk reaction to the process. Being polite and non-combative certainly helps.

As for searching my car, I am totally unworried about it but, on principle, I would ask for a warrant.

66 posted on 08/19/2014 2:27:57 PM PDT by publius911 ( Politicians come and go... but the (union) bureaucracy lives and grows forever.)
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“And yet he demands unresisting submission to police without argument or even legal protest.”

Why did the reason.com author choose to misrepresent the ‘cops’ words?


68 posted on 08/19/2014 2:38:32 PM PDT by TexasGator
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71 posted on 08/19/2014 3:06:25 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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Romans 13: 1-7 (NRSVCE):

“13 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Do you wish to have no fear of the authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive its approval; 4 for it is God’s servant for your good. But if you do what is wrong, you should be afraid, for the authority[a] does not bear the sword in vain! It is the servant of God to execute wrath on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be subject, not only because of wrath but also because of conscience. 6 For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, busy with this very thing. 7 Pay to all what is due them—taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due.”


76 posted on 08/19/2014 5:20:58 PM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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Dear Dr. Officer Dutta:

Since you are Indian by birth, and not native to America, please allow me to define “Asshat” for you...

Asshat: Noun (N. American slang), one who has their head up their own ass, thus wearing their own ass for a hat. Also, a stupid person.

YOU (police officers) work for US...In America, the people rule...We are citizens, not subjects...This concept is routinely ignored these days by individuals sworn to uphold it in their oath of office, but there are still many of us who refuse to let it go, and would resort to force in response to keep it...

Read The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and The Bill of Rights, as well as The Federalist and Anti-Federalist Papers if your attention span will take you that far...

If you don’t want a target on your back, don’t paint one there...Asshat!


77 posted on 08/19/2014 5:58:51 PM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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"Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?">

Most rapes are over in a few minutes, too. I recommend, Dutta, your wife or daughter undergo that experience for a few minutes. You might change your tune about the violation of anyone's rights after that....

78 posted on 08/19/2014 7:24:02 PM PDT by freebilly (How about this-- we stop trying to elect the unelectable)
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Cops are the new lawyers.

Everybody hates them until they need them.


84 posted on 08/20/2014 6:08:58 AM PDT by dfwgator
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‘10 Rules for Dealing with Police’ seeks to teach constitutional rights

By DeNeen L. Brown
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, March 25, 2010; C02

The short film “10 Rules for Dealing With Police” opens with an unfortunate but common scene: A young black man in a little red car, rap music blasting, is driving down a gritty highway at night, minding his own business, thumping to a beat.

A police car pulls behind him. The man becomes agitated as he stops, muttering under his breath, “I am tired of this [expletive].”

By the time the officer gets to his window and shines the flashlight, the man, having done nothing but switch lanes, is projecting much attitude. He rolls down his window halfway.

“Yeah, I know the drill,” he says, this being the fourth time in a year he has been “pulled over for nothing.”

“Excuse me?” the officer says.

The man grabs his registration out of his glove box.

“No need for the attitude, bro,” the officer says. “I’m looking out for your safety and everyone else on this road.”

The man mutters some obscenity.

The officer asks him to step out of the car.

In that instant, he has violated the film’s rule No. 1 for dealing with police.

“As soon as you opened your mouth, you failed the rule with your attitude,” says narrator William “Billy” Murphy, a former Baltimore judge and defense attorney, best known for his role in “The Wire.”

“10 Rules,” a docudrama produced by the D.C. nonprofit Flex Your Rights, dispenses free legal advice with no-holds-barred dialogue. The producers, D.C. residents Steven Silverman, 33, and Scott Morgan, 30, created the film to help people in urban areas understand their constitutional rights.

“I realized the majority of people are confused and overwhelmed about how to handle a police encounter,” Silverman says, standing in the lobby of the Cato Institute, the libertarian think tank where the film premiered Wednesday.

Upstairs there are sandwiches, spring water and soda in clear glasses for the policy wonks streaming in. This is what people in think tanks do in the middle of the day in the middle of the week in Washington: They take big, complicated issues, such as unintended consequences of everyday events, and turn them into products the rest of us can understand.

“Most people are constitutionally illiterate,” says Silverman, a former Cato intern. “Most people will waive their rights entirely during a police encounter.”

Silverman and Morgan, who studied criminal justice, plan to distribute DVDs to high schools, community groups, youth groups and churches. They spent two years making the film, which cost $110,000 and was funded in part by the Marijuana Policy Project. It was shot in Baltimore.

“Minorities are the audience,” Morgan says. “It was important to us with this project because people of color are disproportionately targeted by police across the country.” According the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics, minorities are more likely to be searched when arrested. The bureau’s stats show that “stop and frisks” are occurring at record rates, Morgan says, particularly where minorities and low-income people live. He blamed “hard on crime” campaigns by politicians trying to get or stay elected.

Silverman says there are unintended consequences for not knowing the rules of what to do if stopped by police. “The term is racial targeting,” Silverman says.

Neill Franklin, a retired Maryland state police officer, calls the film an important primer for educating police academies. “I’m a cop. I’m straight from the streets,” Franklin says. “One of the things I always talked with police academy instructors about is to ensure we follow our oath, to serve and uphold the Constitution of the United States. Most people think what a great piece for kids and grown-ups, but I see it as a great tool for police academies.”

The 40-minute film is straightforward. Murphy, the judge turned actor, is blunt in his advice. “There are lots of good police out there doing what needs to be done,” he says. “And I don’t need to tell you there are also a few too many cops who don’t respect the basic rights of innocent people.”

He tells the audience: “The smartest way to take the Fifth is to keep your mouth shut. You always have the right to remain silent.”

Then he makes them repeat a lesson, like a teacher instructing a class: “Repeat after me, ‘I don’t consent to searches.’ “ And the audience repeats.

In the film, Murphy helps the man in the opening scene understand what happened when he was pulled over and how he made the situation worse by not following the rules.

“That cop profiled me,” the man protests. “It’s ridiculous. I go to school — I’m not a gun trafficker.”

Murphy: “I know how you feel, man. . . . You never know for sure what’s going on in an officer’s head. I hate to say it, but from what I hear it sounds like you broke the first rule of dealing with police: Always be calm and cool.”

Carry the rules on a little white napkin if you have to, the producers say, but remember them:

1. Always be calm and cool.

2. You have the right to remain silent.

3. You have the right to refuse searches.

4. Don’t get tricked into waiving your rights.

5. Determine if you’re free to go.

6. Don’t do anything illegal.

7. Don’t run.

8. Never touch a cop.

9. Report misconduct: Be a good witness.

10. You don’t have to let them in.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/24/AR2010032402907_pf.html


100 posted on 08/20/2014 10:06:43 PM PDT by Daffynition ("We Are Not Descended From Fearful Men")
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