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Posted on 08/06/2014 10:14:40 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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I would worry about the Bill of Rights becoming the Original Bill of Rights. The New Obama Bill of Rights would look a lot different.
The point is that an Article V convention of the states is NOT a Constitutional Convention. The states are in charge, and only specific topics can be addressed. Ubama and the federales have no say on anything.
We can’t have a constuitutional convention, we could get looney libs in there and they could pass who knows what...
You know unlike the president, the supreme court and the legislature that are an ongoing con con...
The point is that an Article V convention of the states is NOT a Constitutional Convention. The states are in charge, and only specific topics can be addressed. Ubama and the federales have no say on anything.
Congress can already propose amendments, but we don’t trust 2/3rds of the states TO DO THE SAME DAMN THING???? And we don’t trust 3/4 of the states to ratify it either appaerntly...
But don't let facts get in the way of anything.
Make new laws to stop a lawless government. That’s what we’re putting out hope in?
[I have a lot of respect for Levin, but I don’t see our side maintaining control of the article V process. It could be hijacked too easily by the left with help from the MSM. This is how I wrote a possible “look back” at a Constitutional Convention in one of my novels, “Foreign Enemies And Traitors.”]
“Tell me something, Doug. You’re obviously a smart guy. I’ve been out of the country for seven years. What the hell happened to America? I always thought Americans would fight to keep their freedom. What happened? How could Americans just roll over and give up their rights?”
“Well, we didn’t just ‘give up’ our rights. It wasn’t like that. Not at all. It’s more like they were stolen in broad daylight, at the constitutional convention.”
Carson asked, “How did that happen? I was down in the Caribbean then. American news wasn’t so big down there. Panama was going through its own troubles, and I was keeping a low profile. I didn’t have cable TV, that’s for sure.”
“I’ll tell you what happened—I watched it happen. When the convention was over, that’s when we knew that the old America was gone. It was over. Finished.”
“The convention was in Philadelphia, right?”
Right. I was in Baltimore when it happened, but it was televised wall-to-wall. On television, the talking heads called it the con-con, like it was a big joke or something. Maybe constitutional convention was too hard to spell, or maybe it took them too long to say it. Too many syllables. You know—time is money. I think a lot of the people behind the convention couldn’t even pronounce it, much less spell it, so it just became the con-con.”
“It was two years ago?”
“Yeah, two years ago in September. You have to understand how bad things already were, even before the earthquakes, and before the big hurricanes hit the Gulf Coast. Even back then, the economy was so bad that people were calling it the Greater Depression. People were desperate. And not just welfare types—I’m talking about solid middle class citizens. Or formerly middle class, like my family. Nouveau poor, we called it. I think people were ready to try just about anything to get the economy moving. Nothing the government tried was working; everything was in a downward spiral. We were still using blue bucks then, what they called ‘New Dollars.’ Banks were failing left and right, only the Fed wouldn’t let them fail—they pumped in trillions of dollars in new money to keep them open. Nobody wanted to hear that it might take years to unwind the economic mess we were in. That it took us decades to ruin the economy, and it would take a long time to fix it. Everybody wanted a quick fix, like pulling a rabbit out of a magic hat. But everything the president and Congress tried just made things worse. Especially printing so much new money.”
Doug set his rifle barrel back down on the table and continued. “The country was already a mess, and that was undeniable. Everybody and his brother were proposing constitutional amendments, supposedly to fix the economy, or make everything fair for the poor, or whatever. That’s how Congress came up with thirty-four state legislatures calling for amendments. There were seven or eight totally different amendment proposals, but it didn’t matter. Once Congress had thirty-four states on record proposing amendments, they went for it. I think they were just waiting for the chance. Once they had thirty-four states, it only took a 51 percent vote in Congress to call for the convention.”
“Congress? I don’t understand. What do they have to do with the convention?” asked Carson.
“Everything, under Article Five. It all came down to Article Five of the old constitution. Congress runs the whole show for constitutional conventions.”
“It does? I didn’t know that.”
“Yeah, well, join the club. That was a major surprise to almost everybody, since it had never happened before. Not in over two hundred years, since it was written. So nobody knew much about Article Five,” said Doug.
“I guess that changed in a hurry.”
“You’re not kidding. It was shock therapy. Especially when the Poor People’s Party marched through Baltimore. There were already about a million of them camping out in Washington on the National Mall before the convention. When they took off walking to Philly, it was like a dam bursting. That was on Labor Day. Mile after mile of people with flags, signs, drums, musical bands on trucks?everything you can imagine. Police cars were escorting them, leading them up I-95. They closed the northbound lanes of 95 for something like twenty miles, for the whole time it took them to walk to Philly. They kept moving that closed section of 95 north, to keep up with the marchers. There was nothing else on television, practically. It took them two days just to get through Baltimore, and when they came through, they spread out like locusts. I was in Baltimore then, back in my mother’s house. I’d quit college and gotten my draft notice. I was waiting to report for basic training.”
Doug took a sip of his instant coffee, and went on. “Naturally, our own locals got into the spirit and joined the march. They took whatever they wanted from any stores along the way, and the police just watched. There was nothing they could do anyway, or it would have caused the biggest riot in history. It was legalized looting, that’s all it was. Legalized looting, all over Baltimore. ‘Redistributing the wealth,’ they called it. We stayed locked in our house and watched it all on television. It would have been suicide to go out and see it in person.”
“So it was, ah...racially polarized?” asked Carson.
“Extremely. Everything was black and white when they came marching through Baltimore. Blacks marching, and whites hiding. I never saw anything like it in my life. Well, not until Memphis, but that was after the earthquakes.”
Carson asked, “How far is it from Washington to Philly? Two hundred miles?”
“That’s about right. It took two weeks for them to make it all the way, and when they arrived, the constitutional convention was just starting. Perfect timing. What a coincidence, right? It was all planned in advance, that’s obvious now. They held the convention in Philly’s new sports arena, the one that was named for a bank. I think that bank is out of business; I don’t know what they call it now. The delegates were down on the floor, and the rest of the stands were full of twenty thousand ‘spectators.’ Yelling and screaming like maniacs?and outside it was worse. They said there were over a million of the Poor People’s Party in Philly by then, coming from everywhere, not just Washington. Probably another million just from the Philadelphia area. They were banging on buckets and pans, turning over cars, barricading streets and smashing store windows. They kept interviewing the rabble-rousers on TV—it was like pouring gasoline on fire. ‘No Justice, No Peace,’ that’s all you heard. That was one of the big mantras. They called the looting ‘street reparations.’ They said if they didn’t get the economic justice amendment, they’d burn the city down. It looked like they would, too. Every street in downtown Philly looked like Times Square on New Year’s Eve, that’s how crowded it was.”
“Jeez, that had to be pretty rough, with that many people packed into downtown,” said Carson. “There couldn’t have been enough public bath-rooms.”
“Almost every store and restaurant was broken open. Needing to use the restrooms was always a good excuse to force their way in. That, and needing food and drinking water. And after that, everything was looted.”
“And the police didn’t stop it?”
“They couldn’t stop it. How could they?” asked Doug. “The police just stayed back on the edges and tried to herd them. Even that didn’t work. A mob that big makes its own rules.”
“Like a human tidal wave.”
“Exactly. A human tsunami. So, with that mega-mob outside the arena, you can guess what kinds of radicals were being let in to fill the twenty thousand seats. The real cream of the crop. It was a total farce. That’s when they started to call it the ‘kangaroo convention’ on talk radio. That was back when we still had AM talk radio.”
Carson asked, “What happened to talk radio?”
“Two things. First, a couple of years ago Congress passed the so-called ‘fairness’ laws. That meant that every point of view on a radio station had to be balanced by another radio host or by other callers from the other side. It got incredibly complicated. They literally had to count how many minutes were said for this and for that on every subject. Trying to keep up with the fairness laws made talk radio a money loser, so most stations went to sports or music. Then Congress passed a law against ‘hate speech on the public airwaves.’ Anybody could take a radio station to court for just about anything that they claimed was hate speech. They’d cherry-pick a left-wing judge and jury, and it was a slam-dunk every time. After a few million-dollar judgments, the last talk radio stations threw in the towel. Now radio is practically all music and sports, with happy talk in between government PSAs?public service announcements.”
The rest here
http://enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/index.php?page=excerpt&p1=Foreign_Enemies_And_Traitors&p2=FEAT%20Part%201&;
Exactly right. Who will bell the cat?
It's working so well.
Make new laws to stop a lawless government. That’s what we’re putting out hope in?
We are making absolute LAWS to LIMIT government, this is what we are talking about.... And it is only the FIRST ROUND.
If we pass Term Limits, how the hell are they going to work around THAT without kicking off a Civil War?
When we come to that question, we’ll be right back where we are now. States will be forced, if at all, to nullify federal attempts to crush the proposed amendments. I’m pretty sure people who are proposing this process, though noble, still don’t fully understand the pickle we’re in.
[ An Article V convention of the states is NOT a Constitutional Convention.
But don’t let facts get in the way of anything. ]
I was backhandedly mocking the fools that think it is a CON-CON who will no doubtedly invade this thread and piss their little diapers.
It is not, it is the same process that the FEDERAL CONGRESS does to PROPOSE any other amendments, only INSTEAD of the FEDERAL CONGRESS it requires the consent of 2/3 of the STATE CONGRESS(s) to PROPOSE an Amendment for Ratification.
Sorry.
They will take it to a judge, the judge will call it unconstitutional, the state governments will do what they do now when their sovereignty is checked: Nothing. Or, they’ll nullify the fed’s ruling. Which they could do now. If they’re not willing now, why do we think they’ll be willing then?
Can that happen? Yes. It will happen if this process continues. For my part, I don’t see why my God given liberty should depend on 38 states agreeing I should have it.
Well, kids, lets give thanks for one fact. The loud, chubby, deaf gold bar salesman has finally proposed something positive to his devoted fans, rather than the usual negative talk show drivel about how bad Obama is.
Perhaps more of them might even vote ... or call their congressman, or something, instead of the usual endless discussion and gossip about the treacherous gay faux-POTUS.
Ah, if only "conservatives" could think programmatically, craft plans, implement them, and come up with a leader, perhaps then we could get that half of the electorate that does not vote to get off their arses, show up, and help us save the Republic.
How many states are required?
“According to Article V, Congress must call for an amendment-proposing convention, “on the application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States,” meaning 34 state legislatures would have to submit applications. Once an Article V Convention has proposed an amendment or amendments, then the amendment or amendments would have to be ratified by three-fourths of the states (38 states) in order to become part of the Constitution.”
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