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Article V...Constiutional Convention
April 15th, 2014 | SgtBob

Posted on 04/15/2014 4:35:55 PM PDT by SgtBob

U. S. Constitution


TOPICS: Chit/Chat; History; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: article5; article5convention; articlev; articlevconvention; concon; constitution; conventionofstates
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To: SgtBob
This could lead to massive spending, budgets deficits many times larger than now. The amendment could read something like:

The Federal government shall provide to the states all the money which they request.

The states would have a magical money machine. Just have the Feds print more money.

21 posted on 04/15/2014 5:10:12 PM PDT by Siegfried X
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To: SgtBob
Along with the fact that an Article V Convention is for proposing amendments, while a constitutional convention is for proposing a new constitution, another thing to keep in mind is that anything an Article V Convention would propose would then be submitted to the States for ratification. The Convention would have the same authority for proposing amendments as does the Congress.

If the Convention proposed anything the States disliked, then the States could reject the proposed amendment and so the proposal would not become part of the Constitution. The last two amendments proposed by the Congress (Equal Rights Amendment and District of Columbia Voting Rights Amendment) were rejected by the States, so the States are certainly not rubber stamps regarding proposed amendments.

Finally, there's no way the Convention would be able to impose amendments or a new constitution. Any such attempt would be viewed as illegitimate and would destroy the Convention's credibility. Any thought that the federal government, the States, or the People would acquiesce in such an act is laughable.

22 posted on 04/15/2014 5:10:47 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: SgtBob
Many comments in this related thread:

Sarah Palin: Elect Candidates who Support “Convention of States”
23 posted on 04/15/2014 5:13:26 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: SgtBob

Yer plenty sharp Sarge, now back in yer scabbard afer Ya poke out your eye;)


24 posted on 04/15/2014 5:15:05 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: Billthedrill
Mason fled in disgust when he realized what those lunatics Hamilton and Madison actually had in mind...

Gosh, that is a horrid and unsubstantiated cheap shot!

Mason attended the entire convention.

Tell me of Madison's and Hamilton's lunacy.

25 posted on 04/15/2014 5:16:21 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Change is not made without inconvenience, even from worse to better - Richard Hooker. Article V.)
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To: SgtBob

Con Con? No thanks.


26 posted on 04/15/2014 5:16:53 PM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: SgtBob

Well the congress critters could actually get together and propose an amendment to nullify the states being able to propose amendments.....

Heck they just might if not enough of the states get serious about an article V convention to propose NEW amendments to take their power back from FedGov...


27 posted on 04/15/2014 5:16:54 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Genoa

You, obviously, missed the misspelled title;-)

Thanks!


28 posted on 04/15/2014 5:31:10 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: ronnyquest

Educate yer damned self! 34 States HAVE NOT signed on to a Constitutional Convention! They ARE considering an Article V Convention of the States.

READ THE CONSTITUTION!

Don’t mean to yell, but after yesterday, stoopid posts need it.


29 posted on 04/15/2014 5:35:13 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: VitacoreVision

Thanks. My home state was one that rescinded. So sad...


30 posted on 04/15/2014 5:36:22 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Siegfried X

Read my post, again, and the read Article 5...sheesh...


31 posted on 04/15/2014 5:38:54 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Sasparilla; mabarker1

TELL ME WHERE THE HELL I SAID WE NEED A DAMNED CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION!?

SOME O’ YOU ASSES JUS’ CANT READ!

MY FRUSTRATION IS BECAUSE OF YESTERDAY’S POST, AND THE IGNORANCE OF FREEPERS!

(those of you, to whom this does not apply...you know who you are...thanks fer puttin’ up with my yellin’.)

Bayonet in eye, yet?


32 posted on 04/15/2014 5:46:17 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Repeal 16-17

Thank you, much. I tried to put it in “easy read”....you make me a piker. I shall endeavor to follow suit.


33 posted on 04/15/2014 5:50:32 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Repeal The 17th

You posted this yesterday, and folks didn’t get it. That was part of my frustration...I was trying to get FReepers to look at it in a simple fashion...some posts say I failed.

Thanks!


34 posted on 04/15/2014 5:54:23 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Billthedrill

Not quite sure what brew you have, but I’d like a heads up, as a purveyor of fine brews.


35 posted on 04/15/2014 5:56:58 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: SgtBob

Na maybe a splinter.

I see no reason for anything to be done to the Constitution except FOLLOW IT TO THE LETTER.


36 posted on 04/15/2014 6:02:53 PM PDT by mabarker1 (Please, Somebody Impeach the kenyan!!!!)
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To: SgtBob; All
There's basically two stages with all new constitutional amendments; corrections welcome. The first stage produces a proposed amendment. Either Congress can propose an amendment, or a convention of the states can propose an amendment.

Once a proposed amendment is drafted then it is up to the 3/4 Article V state majority to either ratify it or ignore the proposed amendment. And if the states choose to ignore the proposed amendment then the drafting stage, either with Congress or the convention of states, was a waste of time imo.

Note that regardless of the signatures of the delegates to the Constitutional Convention on the final draft of the Constituiton, the delegates still had to go back to their states to sell the new Constitution. So even with the original Constitution, the states could have chosen to ignore it instead of ratifying it.

United States Constitution

37 posted on 04/15/2014 6:12:29 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: SgtBob

You’ve done a fine job. People need to be educated as to what an Article V Convention can and can not do.


38 posted on 04/15/2014 6:17:22 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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To: SgtBob

So expressing an opinion—which stands, by the way—is stupid? OK.

I have read the constitution many times. I carry a copy with me at all times. I would not go so far as to say I am an expert.

So, tell me, genius, how the Article V route makes us somehow immune to the same mummery and shenanigans that would occur during a regular constitutional convention, or any other political situation.

If “our side” sends representatives, do you think that the other side will not? Do you think that the other side will not try the same tactics they use in any other political situation? What makes you think that the other side won’t just ignore any results like they currently do? Please, explain all that to this poor, dumb ol’ boy from Missouri.

We have something that works. Use it. Hold your government accountable by whatever means are at your disposal. Like it or not, we’re eventually going to have to make an omelet.


39 posted on 04/15/2014 6:17:33 PM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of liberty only to see marxism elected at home.)
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To: mabarker1

How many Congresses would it take to get the Centralized Government within the confines of the Constitution?

I don’t think it could happen without an amendment to impose term limits. Mind you, I, once upon a time, opposed them. You get good representation, you want to keep it....then they get wealthy and become a K Street lobbyist.

Just askin’...like I said in my post, I ain’t the sharpest spoon in the drawer.


40 posted on 04/15/2014 6:18:38 PM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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