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Ducking Government Regulation the Old Fashioned Way: A Look at the Black Market
equities.com ^ | 10-30-2013 | Joel Anderson

Posted on 10/31/2013 1:09:48 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat

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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

That is interesting. I bet there are people who work full time selling stuff at flea markets and online and probably don’t pay taxes, or admit just enough income to get EITC


21 posted on 10/31/2013 2:02:41 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: Darteaus94025

That’s one thing that wannafeelgoodaboutmyself liberals will vehemently avoid - the force factor.

They don’t want to admit that all of their policies are imposed at gunpoint.


22 posted on 10/31/2013 2:04:10 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Secret Agent Man
"I seriously don’t think it could be done."

You would be astonished. In my little town there is a least 20 "off the books" businesses being run.

And that is not counting the Flea Market and the Swap Meet guys.

23 posted on 10/31/2013 2:08:20 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: RKBA Democrat

I know of several people that run skilled trade business out of their garage or basement. They operate on a mostly cash bases. It would be a very high risk endeavor to attempt to rob anyone of them.


24 posted on 10/31/2013 2:13:43 PM PDT by MCF
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To: Secret Agent Man

How much yard work, home repairs, hair cut/style, coloring is done off the books? I’ve had contractors offer to charge much less for cash, so long as I don’t need a receipt (I don’t play that game, but I recognize it when I see it). How much furniture is refinished and sold at sway meets or garage sales without any records? It’s big business, and many middle class people play along because they like the discount.


25 posted on 10/31/2013 2:57:10 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: nascarnation

I had a friend in college who made big bucks on the KY-OH run. Basically, he paid his tuition with it over the summer. THEN, he found out that it was a ticket to federal prison, not just “they’ll just take the van, we have more of those” as the owner of the “business” told him.


26 posted on 10/31/2013 3:12:13 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: chrisser

Yep. Like the guy who offered $10k plus $5k cash for my used car so he could reduce the sales tax bill by 1/3.

More power to him!


27 posted on 10/31/2013 3:19:59 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Cruz Control 2016!)
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To: RKBA Democrat

The article could not resist putting all the emphasis on the part of the black market that is inherently illegal, which makes sense because that is the most profitable part of it.

However, there is a substantial black market where goods and services are not inherently illegal, that exists to a great extent solely because there is no government involvement with them.

Importantly, there are also many people, citizens, not just illegals, who do their darndest to not involve themselves with government in any way. Many have little or no ID, don’t want it, don’t want government largesse, earn too little to pay taxes other than sales tax, and exist off the radar.

In the 1980s, a TV show, Max Headroom, called such people “blanks”, because they have no government issued public face.

So how do such people live? Everything they do is bought and sold for cash. They are helped by people in the system who rent them shelter, get them things that can only be purchased with ID, drive them places unless they drive without a license, etc., etc.

And there are quite literally millions of them. Legal citizens who reject government, and live, better or worse, without it. They are non-persons. Blanks. Free.


28 posted on 10/31/2013 3:25:45 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Welfare is the new euphemism for Eugenics.)
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To: GeronL
Not that many.

Paypal reports how much you take in and at flea markets records are kept of who rents a booth and how often.

You have to be careful or they will calculate how much profit you "should have" made and say that you owe that much in taxes.

29 posted on 10/31/2013 4:15:20 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: RKBA Democrat
"What if, in the late 1990s, Bill Gates and Microsoft (MSFT) didn't have to limit their business because of anti-trust laws?"

Well, when an individual pays politicians to make laws,... Also,...

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30 posted on 10/31/2013 5:16:23 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: RKBA Democrat

A good book to read on the underground economy is “System D”. How the black market or grey market exists in many developing nations simply because they have horrific bureaucracies that many cannot cope with, from weeks to import anything to bribes.
The book had good observations such as:
* Being illegal meant an organization couldn’t become larger than a mid-sized business.
* Off the books businesses like in home stores and street vendors were often simply a means to survive, not an effort to circumvent the law.
* Where there were restrictive regulations, System D popped up to get around it. Shopping in the cheap country and bringing items back under personal exemptions to sell at below the market value + VAT tax were common.
* Infrastructure could arise under System D. The common example was the cell phone network powered not by monthly contracts but cell phone cards sold and traded like currency. That is how Africa pays for its wireless network.
* The U.S. underground economy is fueled and powered by illegal immigration. Illegals work with fake papers in some cases, without any legal cover in others.

My observation:

There may be a partial answer to how our economy isn’t collapsing with falling participation rates and the end of the 99 week unemployment with the growth of the underground economy. As someone commented, the shift is when the day labor centers have fights between blacks and hispanics or Hispanics and Asians, because citizens are joining the illegals at the day labor centers.
And selling services from childcare to lawn service to technical work via craigslist, business cards and Fiverr without paying taxes generates income but rarely income taxes.


31 posted on 10/31/2013 6:16:51 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: tsomer

System D is a good book on the general topic.
There are books on Amazon.com on this topic, though I’d recommend reading it at a library instead of buying it online.


32 posted on 10/31/2013 6:18:02 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: tsomer

http://www.starvingthemonkeys.com/MonkeyDefined.html

Otherwise, I’d look to animal studies about parasites and hosts. How does a host throw off a parasite? Especially if the parasite is toxic?

http://phys.org/news/2013-10-mice-survive-infection-virulent-toxoplasma.html


33 posted on 10/31/2013 6:22:59 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

That’s why I’m hoping to come across a mid-50s Stratocaster or Les Paul in great condition, buy it for peanuts because the person doesn’t know what they have, then sell it for what it’s really worth (approaching 6 figures).


34 posted on 10/31/2013 8:27:16 PM PDT by wastedyears (Ender's Game in theaters Nov. 1st)
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To: wastedyears
Most likely not going to happen.

With the Internet the value of something is easy to look up.

What you generally find is that such people over price things. I deal in books. People don't realize that they may have a first edition first printing but if they don't have to dust jacket, the price drops. If it is written in, the price drops. If the cover is sun faded, the price drops.

You get the idea.

The hard part is convincing these people that their "treasure" is worth $10.00 not the $400.00 it would be in mint condition with a Mylar covered dust jacket.

35 posted on 10/31/2013 8:53:48 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

I have the 6th printing of Unintended Consequences with the dust jacket. I’ve looked online and it’s usually only the first printing worth any money.


36 posted on 11/01/2013 4:44:48 AM PDT by wastedyears (Ender's Game in theaters Nov. 1st)
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To: RKBA Democrat

If the largest growing segment of your economy is the black market, you’re government might be a banana republic. (- with apologies to Jeff Foxworthy)


37 posted on 11/01/2013 6:35:07 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: RKBA Democrat
The black Market/Underground economy always stirs my memory of news of the Soviet Union. In the 1970's, American media would once in a while run a story about the Russians secretly buying blue jeans costing a month's state wages. Western journalists would only tell us about the human side of wanting material things. We would be left wondering how a Russian would throw away money on western fashion while they would wait in line for food. (yes, journalists sucked then as they do now).

It became apparent to me after Yeltsin stood up to the tanks and toppled the Soviet rulers, that black market is what broke the communists. Note how quickly the new elite dismantled state enterprises and began operating as capitalists. They had hone their skills in the last decades of the Soviet Empire. There is a lesson here for Americans.

38 posted on 11/01/2013 11:39:58 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: Louis Foxwell

Sure.

But I’m sure they keep records of every transaction made.

And I’m pretty certain the IRS monitors it as well.


39 posted on 11/01/2013 8:58:33 PM PDT by tsomer
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