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Looking for Help from Freepers on a Building Safety / Fire Protection Matter
Self | 9/28/13 | Alberta's Child

Posted on 09/28/2013 9:00:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child

I'm looking for some input from knowledgeable folks here on FreeRepublic about an interesting matter a friend of mine is dealing with. He owns a commercial building with a wet sprinkler system, and a tenant is looking to install a lot of new electronic/IT equipment in one room. The building code requires the sprinklers, but there's an obvious risk to expensive electronic equipment (and maybe an elevated risk of electrocution for staff and firefighters) if the sprinklers are activated in a fire.

The obvious solution would be to remove the sprinkler heads in that particular room, but this is not something that would be permitted under the local fire code.

Has anyone here dealt with a situation where a sprinkler system like this was modified to the minimize risk of damage to sensitive electronic equipment, while at the same time meeting all of the fire safety requirements related to the sprinkler system?


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Any input on this would be greatly appreciated. The local fire inspector is eventually going to be consulted on this, but I'm trying to help my friend come up with several options handy before that meeting takes place.
1 posted on 09/28/2013 9:00:13 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child
Build a tent in the room.

Or buy an expensive electrical fire suppression system.

2 posted on 09/28/2013 9:03:00 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Alberta's Child

Gas sprinkler system...

http://www.datacenterjournal.com/it/inert-gas-data-center-fire-protection-and-hard-disk-drive-damage/


3 posted on 09/28/2013 9:04:05 AM PDT by GSP.FAN (Some days, it's not even worth chewing through the restraints.)
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To: Alberta's Child

http://www.facilitiesnet.com/firesafety/article/Effective-Fire-Suppression-in-Data-Centers-Requires-Careful-Planning-by-FMs—12580


4 posted on 09/28/2013 9:05:09 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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Wouldn't the loss be covered by Insurance?

The fire code won't change,that's for sure.

5 posted on 09/28/2013 9:05:44 AM PDT by mdittmar
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To: Alberta's Child

Can’t they install something besides water sprinklers?


6 posted on 09/28/2013 9:07:06 AM PDT by GeronL
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I think it should be a Halon-type sprinkler for electronics or a Class C sprinkler system for electrical fires.


7 posted on 09/28/2013 9:09:45 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Alberta's Child

There are other Fire suppression systems.

One of the problems is that some are dangerous to employees as they remove or substitute the oxygen in the room.

Look around he should be able to find something that would work. Perhaps he should call the Fire investigators and ask their advice.


8 posted on 09/28/2013 9:10:03 AM PDT by Venturer ( cowardice posturing as tolerance =political correctness)
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To: Alberta's Child

Back in the 1980s the standard for data centres was halon.


9 posted on 09/28/2013 9:10:18 AM PDT by Squawk 8888 (I'd give up chocolate but I'm no quitter)
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To: Alberta's Child

You shouldn’t use a water sprinkler system in a building with electronic equipment. A Halon Fire suppression system is used more often for that.Just check with a local fire Suppression equipment company.

They’ll lead you in the right direction.


10 posted on 09/28/2013 9:11:16 AM PDT by puppypusher (The World is going to the dogs.)
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It is highly likely that your city code has approved halon individual room systems. They keep electronics damage to a minimum in case of fire. Check with city planning and permitting.


11 posted on 09/28/2013 9:11:38 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: rabidralph

Halon isn’t used any more, FM-200 is the modern gas.

Halon was banned under the Montreal Accords as an ozone depleting material, just like some of the better (thermodynamically) Freons.


12 posted on 09/28/2013 9:14:36 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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Very good input there, NP.

The individual room system idea isn't one we had thought about. There's no way the entire building is going to be retrofitted with an inert gas fire suppression system, but there's no reason why a single room couldn't be modified that way.

13 posted on 09/28/2013 9:18:01 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Gen.Blather; GSP.FAN

Thanks, guys. This basically involves an IT/server room, not a full data center. The cost of making a major modification for an entire building just to accommodate this one user isn’t likely, but doing something small for an individual room might be a possibility.


14 posted on 09/28/2013 9:19:39 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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Going from memory here so FWIW.

You have two options IIRC

1} If the sprinkler system in that area can be converted to a dry system that would only activate when two different sensors are tripped that MAY keep the local fire officials happy. You could also have an automatic electrical disconnect added so that if the system goes off the power to the units is cut off. Where I work at now we had something like this to protect our old control network servers.

2} Install some type of inert gas fire suppression system as mentioned above.

My best guess as I have been out of the fire protection biz for some time.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


15 posted on 09/28/2013 9:19:49 AM PDT by alfa6
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To: Alberta's Child

Install ground fault breakers.


16 posted on 09/28/2013 9:20:19 AM PDT by mylife (Ted Cruz understands the law, and he does not fear the unlawful.)
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To: Squawk 8888

lol. Where I worked for a while, the halon system was rigged so sensitive that of you lifted the wrong tile in the cooling floor, it might trip the gas. Then it was run for your lives time to the control room, and an expensive refill...


17 posted on 09/28/2013 9:20:29 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Obama: the bearded lady of the Muslim Brotherhood))
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To: FreedomPoster

Haa, haa, haven’t heard about the ozone layer in a while, not since they proved there was no depletion (I know some idiots still hang on to the belief).


18 posted on 09/28/2013 9:20:45 AM PDT by BushCountry (Obama: The dentist told me I need a crown. I was like I KNOW, RIGHT?)
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To: puppypusher
Thanks. The problem is that I don't know of any building that doesn't have some kind of electronic equipment in it. LOL.

We're probably going to be looking at something for an individual room, rather than making a change for the entire building.

19 posted on 09/28/2013 9:21:33 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

I went through this the last time I built a server room.

You can’t ditch the sprinklers. They’re required by code. What you can do is add a gas based system like halon (there are newer systems now) that is designed to extinguish any fire before the sprinklers activate.


20 posted on 09/28/2013 9:22:25 AM PDT by andyk (I have sworn...eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.)
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