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Letters from Hannah Anderson, handcuff boxes found at DiMaggio's home
LA Times ^ | August 16, 2013 | Kate Mather and Tony Perry

Posted on 08/17/2013 8:30:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

Edited on 08/17/2013 8:32:06 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Letters from Hannah Anderson were among items seized by authorities in a search of kidnap and murder suspect James DiMaggio's San Diego County property, warrants revealed, along with duct tape, handcuff boxes and other materials.

Also taken from DiMaggio’s property were empty boxes of camping gear and ammunition, a Yosemite camping printout, incendiary devices, "arson wire," model rocket containers, cut electrical cords and two used condoms, the documents said.


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Still no details on what the police meant by "torture" and no details on time of death or time the fire was set.

Hannah was picked up at cheerleading practice at 4:00 Sunday and the fire department was putting out the fire at 8:00.

The Andersons had apparently been at DiMaggio's place all day Saturday and stayed overnight. So then why all the phone calls on Sunday if Hanna was right there.

And somebody had to have dropped Hannah off at cheerleading practice on Sunday and then picked her up at 4:00 when both phones were then turned off.

Looming large in the investigation now are those 13 phone calls -- when and where and what and whether mom, brother, and dog were killed before Hannah's cheerleading practice, during, or after.

Let's hope that the SD police are not buying the Lakeside Lolita's narrative.

1 posted on 08/17/2013 8:30:49 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Let's hope that the SD police are not buying the Lakeside Lolita's narrative.

Unless it's the truth, that is.

The girl doesn't seem to be terribly bright, and if she was involved it will no doubt come out.

I too find the circumstance suspicious, but let's not assume her guilt without real evidence.

2 posted on 08/17/2013 8:35:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Uncle Chip

This Whole Episode has a Screwed Up “CaliPornia” “Feel” to it.


3 posted on 08/17/2013 8:38:05 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: Uncle Chip

The after-the-fact behavior of both the father and daughter seems strange, especially in light of the murders of the son/brother and wife/mother. They almost act like nothing happened. Dr. Keith Ablow gave a very insightful description of this yesterday.


4 posted on 08/17/2013 8:42:35 AM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: Uncle Chip

Something stinks.


5 posted on 08/17/2013 8:44:50 AM PDT by Dallas59 (Obama: The first "White Black" President.)
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To: Sherman Logan
if she was involved it will no doubt come out.

Not necessarily. The police can declare her "a victim in every sense of the word", put out an incomplete report based on what she claims, and close the case.

6 posted on 08/17/2013 8:45:46 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
where have you gone ...

oh, wait ... did you say James?

Nevermind /Latella

7 posted on 08/17/2013 8:47:13 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate." George F. Will)
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To: US Navy Vet

Whatever DNA residue’s on the outside of those used scumbags is likely going to be somewhat “telling”....


8 posted on 08/17/2013 8:49:54 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Carlos Danger for mayor....NYC deserves him)
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To: clintonh8r

Do you have his description that you can post??

One thing that has to be considered is that the father is better off financially now with no more child support payments to deal with.


9 posted on 08/17/2013 8:50:37 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
arson wire... is that supposed to mean nichrome wire???
10 posted on 08/17/2013 8:51:04 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Uncle Chip

“Phone records showed that prior to her phone and DiMaggio’s phones being shut off, the pair called each other about 13 times”

Could mean nothing, could mean a lot.

I’m not convinced either way that’s she’s innocent or had a part in all of this. Things are not adding up yet on either side. I do know something with this whole case never sat right with me.


11 posted on 08/17/2013 8:51:18 AM PDT by jodster36
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To: clintonh8r

I agree. Add to that the girl’s (to me) suspicious behavior when she was seen by the people on horseback. Apparently she tried to keep her face turned away from them. Doesn’t seem to me like someone taken against their will. My bet is that she and DiMaggio had formed a sexual relationship and the mom found out about it. I have experience with teenage girls, and it was terrifying. In some cases they have no thought for anyone but themselves, and what it is they want at the moment, with no insight into the consequences for themselves or others. We had a young girl here who stabbed to death her grandparents because they objected to her romantic liaison. Kind of made me understand why the Taliban married their girls off at 14. Flame away if you will, but unless you’ve been in the middle of it you have no clue.


12 posted on 08/17/2013 8:51:43 AM PDT by binreadin
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To: Chode

What is arson wire???


13 posted on 08/17/2013 8:54:23 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

True. There can of course be a coverup, as with any other crime.

You have any particular reason for believing the cops have an incentive to do that?


14 posted on 08/17/2013 8:56:00 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: clintonh8r

What did Ablow say?


15 posted on 08/17/2013 8:56:15 AM PDT by Mountain Mary (Breitbart is here.)
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To: Uncle Chip

I’m glad that somebody finally made her close all of her social media accounts. Teenagers don’t always make the best judgment.


16 posted on 08/17/2013 9:01:45 AM PDT by jodster36
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To: Uncle Chip
never heard of it before and google turns up nothing on it except from this story...

i think they are talking about nichrome wire used to ignite model rocket motors as it turns white hot in seconds

17 posted on 08/17/2013 9:03:13 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Dallas59
I thought something didn't seem right when she posted that picture she snapped of herself after the rescue. It didn't look right to me.
18 posted on 08/17/2013 9:03:48 AM PDT by peeps36 (I'm Not A Racist, I Hate Douchebags f All Colors)
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To: Uncle Chip
Looming large in the investigation now are those 13 phone calls -- when and where and what and whether mom, brother, and dog were killed before Hannah's cheerleading practice, during, or after. Let's hope that the SD police are not buying the Lakeside Lolita's narrative.

Man, you're really staying on top of this. How about set up a Sherlock ping list.
19 posted on 08/17/2013 9:04:25 AM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: Sherman Logan

Only their statements thus far declaring her to be a victim in every sense of the word while evidence has still not been processed.


20 posted on 08/17/2013 9:05:56 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Mountain Mary; Uncle Chip
He talked about how strange it was that she would go on to social media to answer questions, and apparently they're doing some kine of fund raising. He opined that she is still to traumatized to be so exposed to the public and questioned the father's judgement in allowing that to happen so soon after what she had been through.

There has to be a lot more background to this story that hasn't come out.

21 posted on 08/17/2013 9:08:40 AM PDT by clintonh8r (white Caucasian)
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To: Sherman Logan

And this:

Zahau family sues Sheriff Gore seeking evidence in Coronado death

http://www.cbs8.com/story/22189885/family-of-rebecca-zahau-to-sue-sheriff-bill-gore-seeking-evidence-in-her-death


22 posted on 08/17/2013 9:15:24 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Sherman Logan

Why did Hannah write letters to this man? It’s sounding like Hannah was attracted to this man.


23 posted on 08/17/2013 9:16:03 AM PDT by Marcella ((Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.))
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To: clintonh8r

Earlier her father told the media that she would not be at the fundraiser, and then voila!!! she shows up against her father’s wishes.

They raised about $5,000.


24 posted on 08/17/2013 9:19:35 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Mountain Mary

Video link for Keith Ablow on Hannah Anderson. http://youtube.com/watch?v=A-UcCXCcBTY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DA-UcCXCcBTY


25 posted on 08/17/2013 9:24:12 AM PDT by jodster36
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To: Uncle Chip
What is arson wire???

I don't know, but I'm afraid to Google it.

26 posted on 08/17/2013 9:34:08 AM PDT by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Dallas59
"Something stinks"

Yep

"and dog were killed"

Never heard that before.

27 posted on 08/17/2013 9:38:49 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: Steely Tom
"arson wire"

Magnesium chips and wire likely burn real well.

28 posted on 08/17/2013 9:44:48 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: jodster36

Wow — He says that this little internet darling appears at her fundraiser, but will probably not attend her mother and brother’s funerals claiming that she is too distraught to do so.


29 posted on 08/17/2013 9:47:19 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: clintonh8r
The after-the-fact behavior of both the father and daughter seems strange, especially in light of the murders of the son/brother and wife/mother. They almost act like nothing happened.

The father's emotional state during TV statement while they were 'missing' and after the girl was found and returned seemed uncharacteristic.

Perhaps during the early ones, he thought they were all together, but the body of a child (unidentified) had already been found in the rubble. He didn't seem to show any expression of grief or uncertainty.

I still think daughter was infatuated with an older man who was showing her attention. How much was her involvement in events?

The whole family+friend dynamic seems strange, as does the lack of or inappropriate emotional responses the father and returned daughter seemed to exhibit.


30 posted on 08/17/2013 9:55:49 AM PDT by TomGuy (.)
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To: binreadin

I heard yesterday inside the car of Christina Anderson they found a DNA kit..perhaps she wanted proof that DiMaggio was really Hannah’s father??


31 posted on 08/17/2013 9:58:44 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Uncle Chip
San Diego County Sheriff Bill Gore stressed that the girl played no part in the slayings and was "a victim in every sense of the word."

I suspect that's just what the LE is saying to keep her clueless. Why else if they're continuing to investigate. Have you seen all the carp she posted/text/tweeted pre and post "kidnapping"? She isn't the sweet little angel the msm is trying to paint her. A bunch of nasty sexual stuff. My take is Lolita had perv DiMaggio wrapped around her little finger and whined about how nosey or hard on her the mean ol' parents were. If she put this in his already sick mind, then that could explain a lot of her behavior during and after. Apparently, he gave her anything she wanted. Who knows if Dad has finally bought a clue. Having everything crashing in on DiMaggio all at once might have set him off - hot Lolita flitting around in her short shorts, mama maybe finding out something, him losing his house, having to move away from his little honey pot, and then the anniversary of his own father kidnapping another girl years ago.

32 posted on 08/17/2013 10:22:52 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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perhaps she wanted proof that DiMaggio was really Hannah’s father??

If he was her father, then the odds are that her mother would already know.

Perhaps the DNA kit was to prove it to him and/or to Hannah to stop any diddling that was going on -- and somebody flew off the handle at the results.

33 posted on 08/17/2013 10:24:10 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
will probably not attend her mother and brother’s funerals claiming that she is too distraught to do so.

She's not so distraught to stop texting hundreds of total strangers, giving out her phone number to them and posting smiling pics of herself.

34 posted on 08/17/2013 10:24:48 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Steely Tom

me too — that’s why I asked.


35 posted on 08/17/2013 10:26:30 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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I’m trying to find out what happened to their cell phones. Police said that they were turned off shortly after she was picked up at cheerleading practice at 4:00.

I thought I read where they were found burned up in the cabin but haven’t been able to find it since.


36 posted on 08/17/2013 10:32:53 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Sarah Barracuda; binreadin; Uncle Chip
I heard yesterday inside the car of Christina Anderson they found a DNA kit..perhaps she wanted proof that DiMaggio was really Hannah’s father??

Uncle Chip told me his theory yesterday and it sure sounds plausible.

The young boy may have seen or found out about Hannah and Dimaggio having sex. Mom brings the DNA kit over to confront Dimaggio about the identity of the semen in the used condoms that the police also took into evidence at his burned home.

I always wondered why the 8 year old boy had to die too. He just may have been the one who told on her.

37 posted on 08/17/2013 10:33:13 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Uncle Chip

Could be..because a DNA kit is not something normally carried around in a car..the moment I heard that was found in her car my ears went up..they also found 2 used condoms in the garage(At least I think it was the garage) perhaps the mother knew her daughter and DiMaggio were having sex and was going to confront them both about it..the day of the fire was the 15th anniversary of when DiMaggio’s father kidnapped the daughter of his ex girlfriend and held her hostage til his suicide which was on the day of DiMaggio’s death


38 posted on 08/17/2013 10:33:33 AM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Uncle Chip

I have been looking too. No idea if they were burned or discarded.


39 posted on 08/17/2013 10:34:20 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

If found at the burned out cabin then they had to have returned to the cabin AFTER cheerleading practice. If not then they could have left for Idaho directly from the school which was what 40 minutes from where he lived???

Here’s the question:

Were her mom and brother already tied up and whatever before she was dropped off at cheerleading practice and she knew about it and she went through the entire practice knowing about it and not telling anybody???


40 posted on 08/17/2013 10:54:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I hadn’t heard anywhere that their phones were in the fire. Maybe the mom’s was?

When he took her to Hollywood, he got mad because she was on her phone constantly so maybe he trashed both their phones after cheerleader practice to stop that. It may not have been to keep her from calling for help... if she were ever so inclined. Not that they’d have much reception in the forest but it’s a guarantee she’d be texting and complaining hauling the camping equipment up from the car. I hope I have to eat my words but her story just doesn’t sit right. Maybe she didn’t know what had happened at the house but I believe she was the one stirring the pot.


41 posted on 08/17/2013 10:59:44 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: Uncle Chip

Very good questions.

It never occurred to me that they left for Idaho from school. One of my questions was where was she and what was she doing while he was torturing her mother and brother? In the car, waiting?

I wonder if the phones were ever found anywhere.


42 posted on 08/17/2013 11:00:50 AM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: Uncle Chip

How does a family let a “friend”, a forty year old man, take such an interest in their 16 yr. old daughter? A lot of red flags were missed on this one. She told her friends he “creeped her out”. Is she a Stockholm syndrome kid? Did she, at her young age, think being nice to his advances would somehow put a stop to it? I’m not going to put all of this on her, it will come out. But if the family allowed this man to be near her, even to the point of driving her to cheerleading practice, then they were terribly naïve.


43 posted on 08/17/2013 11:17:11 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: BunnySlippers
I wonder if the phones were ever found anywhere.

If not then the police should ask little miss Hannah Idaho.

Afterall she should know what he did with them -- if she has nothing to hide that is.

They already have the ping logs of her 13 phone calls and thus know where he was and she was during each call -- and that alone could be devastating.

44 posted on 08/17/2013 11:21:40 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip

I had read one article where it said something like “...13 phone calls in the days and weeks before...”. Still odd, but makes more sense than 13 calls in one day.


45 posted on 08/17/2013 11:26:44 AM PDT by 21twelve ("We've got the guns, and we got the numbers" adapted and revised from Jim M.)
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To: SueRae

He was the best man at their wedding.

Is it possible that he was actually Hanna’s biological father and the mother knew it and thus allowed that closeness to occur???

Is that why he was such a close “family friend” and became chauffeur and go-fer for the family after her father went to live in Tennessee???


46 posted on 08/17/2013 11:30:23 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: 21twelve

13 calls over a few weeks would not be noteworthy for the police BUT 13 calls on that day would be noteworthy particularly if packed together just before the phones were turned off.


47 posted on 08/17/2013 11:38:07 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Sarah Barracuda

There's a picture of her newly done nails. Too distraught to go to the funeral but not so distraught to have her nails done and attend the fundraiser. If there's one camera anywhere within a mile of the funeral, she'll be there. Someone bought her a new cell phone. Did Dad? Who?

Sorry, but you simply don't send 100 texts a month to an old guy who creeps you out. You don't write him letters and you don't go on overnight trips unless whatever you're getting in return outweighs any uncomfortable feelings.

NO ONE has a DNA swab kit in their car unless there's a reason to use it. Notice in the warrant for his house it lists empty handcuff boxes. Were those real handcuffs or sex toy handcuffs? Wonder if her prints are on them. Where are the handcuffs? Also wonder who's underwear was taken as evidence and what might be found on them and the used condoms. Who's shoes, jeans and tank top were taken from his house? I doubt they'd be all that interested in his shoes and socks and a tank top sounds female. Sure, every 40 year old man has balloons, right?

48 posted on 08/17/2013 11:43:21 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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To: 21twelve

The 13 calls were that day. She made over 700 to him on her phone since the first of the year. That’s 100 a month. 25 a week. 3 a day. What 16 year old calls a 40 year old that often if he truly makes them uncomfortable?


49 posted on 08/17/2013 11:53:42 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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Also wonder who's underwear was taken as evidence and what might be found on them and the used condoms.

It could be the mother's.

Hannah might have walked in on her mother with her Uncle Jim and gone bananas on her mother especially when she was told that Uncle Jim was really her biological father.

50 posted on 08/17/2013 12:07:11 PM PDT by Uncle Chip
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