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If the 2016 Republican Primary Was Today.....
08/09/13 | Alan Levy

Posted on 08/09/2013 8:07:18 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama

If the 2016 Republican Primary was held today (assuming We the Conservatives don't form a third party out of disgust), who would you like to see as the nominee to face Hitlery Clinton ?


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To: Absolutely Nobama

Ted Cruz or Allen West


51 posted on 08/09/2013 9:10:50 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: sasportas

Ted Cruz, Sarah Palin, Allen West


52 posted on 08/09/2013 9:11:15 PM PDT by GeronL
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To: rbmillerjr

Yep. I’m changing my vote to Ted Cruz.


53 posted on 08/09/2013 9:11:23 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: ilgipper

Reagan-esque, isn’t he ?


54 posted on 08/09/2013 9:12:59 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: TheOldLady

I changed my vote from Mike Lee to Ted Cruz.

I thought it would be fun to exercise our 2016 Primary muscles. Why not ?


55 posted on 08/09/2013 9:16:57 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: sasportas

Watch this:

Cruz/West 2016 (or vice versa)

The arrogant and lazy media wouldn’t know what to do with themselves. The race card would be destroyed once and for all.


56 posted on 08/09/2013 9:20:26 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

I like Cruz, but not sure about the natural born citizen thing.

Scott Walker would be a good choice.

I like Rand Paul because he understands and believes in our Constitution. He is also able to communicate his principles.


57 posted on 08/09/2013 9:20:46 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey, NSA!)
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To: cableguymn
Correct me if I am wrong (as I normally am) but I recall hearing Cruz was from Canada and thus can’t hold the office of president. Then again, that didn’t stop Obama.

The Obama precedent makes Ted Cruz eligible. The moonbat to this payback will be priceless.

58 posted on 08/09/2013 9:21:17 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Menehune56
...moonbat reaction...

Thumb typing.

59 posted on 08/09/2013 9:24:46 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Absolutely Nobama

You think I’m kidding- what better way to thwart the two-term limit?


60 posted on 08/09/2013 9:31:29 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Absolutely Nobama

A Scott Walker/Ted Cruz ticket sounds good at the moment.


61 posted on 08/09/2013 9:33:38 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (Conservative Republican.)
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To: verga

I am with you! Cruz is the man.


62 posted on 08/09/2013 9:41:33 PM PDT by cambyses
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To: Girlene
I like your list, but here are my concerns (Please understand that I’m not attacking any of these guys. I like them all a great deal and would jump at the chance to vote for any of them in primary, believe me.)

1. Would Scott Walker win his home state ?

2. Would Rand Paul be stuck with his father’s baggage ?

3. To the best of my knowledge, Cruz would eligible, (see the question about McCain’s eligibilty.) but you can bet the racist Dhimmicrats and their allies in the media would attempt to turn Cruz's candidacy into a circus. Again, let me be clear: I would gladly vote for any of them. I'm just looking at all the angles.

63 posted on 08/09/2013 9:41:48 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: DBrow

You have a good point.


64 posted on 08/09/2013 9:43:15 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Fine by me!


65 posted on 08/09/2013 9:43:53 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Me: I simply don’t trust any of the “big names” in the GOP.
(Except perhaps Cruz, and IIUC he’s not technically eligible.)


66 posted on 08/09/2013 9:45:45 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Tupelo
I would prefer a governor, either current or former. A governor that is as for from the northeast as possible. That only leave us with two possibilities. Palen and Perry.

You forgot Gary Johnson.

67 posted on 08/09/2013 9:47:07 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Isn’t Ted’s situation similar to McLame’s ? (who was born in the Panama Canal zone.)


68 posted on 08/09/2013 9:50:04 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Menehune56
The Obama precedent makes Ted Cruz eligible. The moonbat to this payback will be priceless.

No, it doesn't.
That would be like saying "Because person X got away with murder, I can murder whoever I want w/o repercussion."

69 posted on 08/09/2013 9:51:01 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

My complaint about Gary Johnson is his ideas on foreign policy. Too much like Ron Paul’s for my taste.

At the same time, he was a fantastic governor.


70 posted on 08/09/2013 9:52:58 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
Isn’t Ted’s situation similar to McLame’s ? (who was born in the Panama Canal zone.)

I believe so… but, then again, I suspect 2008 (and 2012, to a lesser extent) was an offering of two illegitimate candidates for the purpose of [at some later date] weakening the Natural Born Citizen clause via precedent.

It may just be my cynicism, but looking into some of the crap that was pulled it's what makes sense to me.

71 posted on 08/09/2013 9:54:01 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
At the same time, he was a fantastic governor.

Yes he was; I know because he was my governor! :)
Also a testament to how good he is: he was re-elected even when NM was heavily democrat leaning and he left office w/ a budget-surplus (inheriting a deficit, IIRC).

My complaint about Gary Johnson is his ideas on foreign policy. Too much like Ron Paul’s for my taste.

I honestly don't get that complaint: isn't the whole idea of having congressional involvement w/ cabinet positions to provide a moderating influence on "kooky ideas"?

72 posted on 08/09/2013 9:57:27 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Cruz is a Constitutional scholar. I don’t think he’d throw his name out there (which he has kind of done) if he knew he wasn’t eligible.That’s my theory.

I do know this: He would run away with his home state of Texas without even trying. (Which is something I’m not so sure about with Scott Walker. Not a knock against him, but Wisconsin has gone for the Kenyan Fuhrer in ‘08 and ‘12.) We absolutely can’t win with a candidate who can’t win his home state.


73 posted on 08/09/2013 10:02:19 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Doesn’t matter. 0bama owns the media and the NSA/DOJ who gets intelligence for Hillary, and changes votes electronically for Hillary.. and the IRS/FEC is STILL targeting conservatives (NO CHANGE AND CONGRESS DOESN’T GIVE A SH!T). Think 2012 all over again. Pessimistic? REALISTIC!


74 posted on 08/09/2013 10:04:23 PM PDT by GeorgeWashingtonsGhost
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To: OneWingedShark

“I honestly don’t get that complaint: isn’t the whole idea of having congressional involvement w/ cabinet positions to provide a moderating influence on ‘kooky ideas’?”

Something to consider, that’s for sure. How is he on pro-life and immigration issues ? A lot of libertarians sound like liberals when it comes to those issues.

I like Gary Johnson. Thinking back, I liked him better than Mitt Trotsky (who got my vote pretty much against my will.)


75 posted on 08/09/2013 10:08:18 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
Something to consider, that’s for sure. How is he on pro-life and immigration issues ? A lot of libertarians sound like liberals when it comes to those issues.

IIRC, he thinks it should be a State issue and not Fed. {That's the way it was before Roe v. Wade.}

76 posted on 08/09/2013 10:11:00 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GeorgeWashingtonsGhost

That’s a little more of a realistic response than I would like, but I can’t discount what you’re saying, either. (Perhaps that’s where “internal polling” comes from.)

+1

Thought provoking response to say the least.


77 posted on 08/09/2013 10:11:20 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: OneWingedShark

I don’t see abortion as a States Right issue since the unborn baby’s rights are being violated by his or her murder, but that’s just me. However, repealing Roe v. Wade wouldn’t make abortion illegal, either. The issue would be kicked back down to States.


78 posted on 08/09/2013 10:20:22 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Sarah Palin!!!


79 posted on 08/09/2013 10:21:32 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Menehune56; cableguymn

It’s so too bad every thread about Ted Cruz turns into this.

Ted Cruz himself has been asked about this absurdity that being born in Canada to an American mother who was working there at the time makes him ineligible to run for President.

Ted Cruz opined that natural born citizen does NOT mean born on U.S. soil but means, a citizen WHEN BORN, which he views as the opposite of becoming a citizen by going through a naturalization process.

Natural born vs. naturalized.

That’s the positioning of the two kinds of citizenship, per Cruz himself.

It really has nothing to do with Obama. With or without Obama, Cruz would say the same thing about himself.

You will find people here who will claim that Ted Cruz is a Canadian. You will even find people who will claim that he is CUBAN. Oh yes...because his father was born in Cuba and immigrated to America before marrying his mother here. I’ll just throw this into the silliness pot - they have him being so foreign that he isn’t an American AT ALL. So it’s not even needed to claim he’s not natural born (in their view of natural born) because he’s not even American.

I stick with what Cruz says about himself. He has plenty of company from legal scholars, but there are always these outliers...


80 posted on 08/09/2013 10:27:23 PM PDT by txrangerette ("...hold to the truth; speak without fear." - Glenn Beck)
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To: dalereed

By my unofficial count, she’s right up there with Ted Cruz.

I’d have no problem with that at all.


81 posted on 08/09/2013 10:28:27 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Easy one. SARAH! However, I doubt that she will :-(


82 posted on 08/09/2013 10:31:21 PM PDT by azishot
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To: txrangerette

Thank you for clearing that up. I honestly didn’t know.

I originally started with Mike Lee as my guy, but I switched to Cruz.


83 posted on 08/09/2013 10:33:26 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: azishot

And we can thank the animals in the press for that.


84 posted on 08/09/2013 10:34:09 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

I’ve watched all the latest crop of “Conservatives” and - while some of them have good points and a reasonable chance at winning - there’s still only one that I’d trust to take my granddaughter to the bathroom.

Sarah!


85 posted on 08/09/2013 10:46:06 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: oldfart

Unofficially, It’s between Cruz and Palin.


86 posted on 08/09/2013 10:47:25 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: Absolutely Nobama
I don’t see abortion as a States Right issue since the unborn baby’s rights are being violated by his or her murder, but that’s just me.

There's multiple bad things™ about Roe v. Wade. I think the biggest is the states rights thing, or rather the implicit assertion that the USSC can make anything into a federal matter and then wrest control from the States, consider that to do Roe v. Wade they invented a right to privacy... yet that same right to privacy is non-existent in public life [see NSA and IRS] and even in medical life [see ACA] therefore only existing as applied to abortion.

Moreover, because it's been recognized as not a state issue there is something that cannot be applied, or is forced to be overlooked: section 1 of the 14th Amendment. — If abortion could be pushed back down to State-level, then it is entirely possible that 14th Amendment could be used to seal the fate as recognizing abortion as murder.

As it is though, there is far too much power gained from Roe v. Wade: the power to instantly overturn all state-laws of a particular type, the ability to alter law [ACA] is an extension of this. I'm almost convinced that they would sooner give up Wickard than Roe, as even the vast swaths controlled via "commerce clause" could be tied down with the power to nullify/create/rewrite law. (IOW, Roe is their goose that lays the golden egg.)

However, repealing Roe v. Wade wouldn’t make abortion illegal, either. The issue would be kicked back down to States.

I think it would be vastly easier to handle in the States: just look at Texas.

87 posted on 08/09/2013 10:50:23 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Mclame and Grahamnesty added to the “nots”.

Other nots...the fat chance out of Jersey; McCornole out of kin tucky; JonBoneJovial (hiccup) er out of Florida, Cant ter find my ass with either hand out Virginia, McCarthy out of no signifigance; put it back in the bottle Corker out of TN; Rubb e o “Conservatives wrong” from Florida; Paul “let em all in” Ryan from Cheese Dick Wi.

Am sure I missed a baker’s dozen or more. IMHO, the party’s main problem is the establishment is so egar and willing to pal with the socialist slime working to ensure one pary rule it has ignored the impending destruction of our nation.

However, the sorry ...wait, just puked in my mouth a little, GOP leadership bust the ass of every conservative they encounter.

God Bless Mark Levin and Chris Plante! My views are my own but you inspire the masses! You are the best!


88 posted on 08/09/2013 11:13:25 PM PDT by RetAF_fedUP (Boehner, McLame and Gramnasty need to go!)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Still too many ifs to make a real choice right now. For instance:
IF we get enough Conservative senators in 2014 to take a slim majority, considering that we would probably still have snowe and collins, do you really want to sacrifice losing Cruz, Paul, or Lee if any run for the presidency?

IF Sarab Palin intended to run, would she NOT rather than challenge a Cruz, Lee, or Paul?

IF Allen West ran, we wouldn’t lose anyone in the senate, and we mostly ALL love him. If Sarah Palin ran, Sarah/West. Dream ticket. It would force the racist blacks to search their soul or admit that if obama had been a republican, they would never have voted for him. No one could call us misogynists OR racists. Their silly war on women meme would stay right in THEIR corner where it always belonged. The dems would have to show their race card is only a cheater’s card trick.

IF neither ran, Trey Gowdy wouldn’t really diminish our majority in the House, so Gowdy is a chouce either way.

The unions hate Scott Walker and would do everything in their power to make sure he would never win...


89 posted on 08/09/2013 11:18:38 PM PDT by MestaMachine (My caps work, You gotta earn them.)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Rand Paul. Or maybe Rick Perry if he could get his act together, but he was soooooooo disappointing last time.


90 posted on 08/10/2013 12:35:45 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: CriticalJ

“Add Jeb to the NOT list.”

mega dittos to that!


91 posted on 08/10/2013 12:37:33 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Absolutely Nobama

“It’s my game, I can change my the rules any time I want”

Who do you think you are? The (democrat only) POTUS?


92 posted on 08/10/2013 12:39:15 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: txrangerette

That is interesting, and it makes a lot of sense. So, what you are saying is that Cruz was born in Canada, but he was NEVER a Canadian citizen, but always an American citizen, correct?

I have actually never thought about this.

I happen to believe that Obama was born in Hawaii, and that seems to be the “official” take on things, so aside from the idea that maybe he wasn’t actually born there, it’s irrelevant for this discussion. (I think Obama should have been dq’d for pres. due to the fact that he’s a communist, but clearly that view was in minority, in the country and the MSM, not here, of course!)

My recollection about McCain was that he was born in Panama, but that was due to the fact that his father was in military service there. My understanding is that while being in military service in a foreign land you are “in the US”. Nevertheless I recall congress passing some pro-forma bill declaring McCain “eligible” to be president.

Now would they have to do that for Cruz?

I’m so glad I read your post!


93 posted on 08/10/2013 12:51:10 AM PDT by jocon307
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Ted Cruz


94 posted on 08/10/2013 1:38:43 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: ilgipper

He was also a debate champion back in school.


95 posted on 08/10/2013 1:39:28 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Absolutely Nobama

I doubt Mike Lee will run. Awesome guy, but seems comfortable in the senate. I wouldn’t mind seeing a Mike Lee as a cabinet secretary however.


96 posted on 08/10/2013 1:44:25 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: cableguymn

Its a murky situation, because of the definition of ‘natural born citizen’ as it pertains to parent’s citizenship etc., so its kind of up in the air, but the likely situation would be that the senate would vote on it and give him their blessing.


97 posted on 08/10/2013 1:46:18 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Scott Walker would receive a lot of criticism on his record as governor, job growth in Wisconsin (though it has little to do with him)

Rand Paul will inherit baggage, but I guarantee he will get the largest portion of young voters that the GOP has gotten in decades.

Cruz would be given the senate’s thumbs up, just like McLame.


98 posted on 08/10/2013 1:51:15 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Rand is pro-life, and voted against the Amnesty Bill.


99 posted on 08/10/2013 1:52:49 AM PDT by Viennacon
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To: Absolutely Nobama

Cruz is the only one out there who hasn’t disappointed yet

But I likely missed somethin


100 posted on 08/10/2013 1:53:27 AM PDT by wardaddy (the next Dark Ages are coming as Western Civilization crumbles with nary a whimper)
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