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To: exnavy

Does the belief that life begins at conception require the belief in a Creator God? I happen to believe in a Creator God, but I’m looking for a way to explain things in a way that is logical that will lead people who don’t necessarily believe in God to think about this very important issue. We could discuss the fact that if you don’t believe what the Bible says or in God, it’s impossible to truly value life (I am pretty sure this will offend some, but it can’t be helped). But we have to start somewhere. We have to get people thinking. We have to change the change the way this country views life in the womb or we’ll be talking about 60,000,000 aborted since Roe v. Wade before you can blink. I’m overcome with such grief when I think about all the children, grandchildren, sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers we’ve killed since 1973. And our society is so calloused about it. So if we can make inroads through logic, we can add Creator God into the argument. I think one follows the other. Certainly, if you truly believe in a Creator God, you will come to the realization that life begins at conception. I believe it’s possible to move hearts and mind by attacking it from the opposite end, too.


41 posted on 01/22/2013 11:45:34 AM PST by GreenEyedGal
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To: GreenEyedGal
I cannot think of any subject without thinking of God.

Matthew 6:33 "But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

As an active Christian man, I have to think of everything in "God" terms or I will go astray.

42 posted on 01/22/2013 11:59:06 AM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: GreenEyedGal
Post 8 is your best secular arguement.
44 posted on 01/22/2013 12:02:41 PM PST by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: GreenEyedGal

To me there is a point at which the human exists, if we don’t kill it.

Once an egg is fertilized, then we already know what it is, it is the earliest age of a person, it won’t come out as a puppy or an apple, and it isn’t a wart or a tumor, it is already a separate being, alive and growing and fully involved it’s own life-cycle, if no one kills him while he is at that vulnerable stage, then soon, he will be walking among us and speaking for himself.


45 posted on 01/22/2013 12:09:12 PM PST by ansel12 (Cruz said "conservatives trust Sarah Palin that if she says this guy is a conservative, that he is")
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To: GreenEyedGal

I was taught, per my chiropractor, that only 7 hours after conception the entire brain and nervous system is developed, so basically before the mother-to-be gets a full nights sleep the little one is capable of thoughts and feelings.

Or look at it this way - that unique human DNA is composed of 3 billion lines of unique living code [hence the scripture where God fearfully and wonderfully knits us together in our mother’s womb]. DNA or 3 billion coded sets of A,C,T,& G is the logic/code if written in books would require approx 4,000 average sized books - a stack that would equal the height of the Washington Monument [555 ft]. AND we are not the largest genome in the animal kingdom but we are certainly the most complex and have a god-likeness [i.e. ability to think abstractly, create, etc.] The brain can hold over 6 peta bytes of information and is millions of times faster than the average computer.

Lastly, consider Shannon’s theory of information which basically says if you have symbolic code [i.e. written spoken language, computer language op systems, compiler, or DNA/rNA] that indicates intelligence - intelligence required by and created by an highly-intelligent being. The many varied life kinds indicate a higher-intelligence far surpassing the accumulated knowledge of mankind.

SIMPLY PUT - Any symbolic code can never write itself, it has to have intelligence from outside of the organism acting upon it. And BTW this DNA/rNA code corrects, reproduces, and has natural adaptations and variations so no 2 organisms are exactly the same. Heck not even 2 snowflakes nor fingerprints are exactly the same!

To simplify though I only have 3 problem with dem/libs:

1.) Worship only God [not gov nor anything man-made nor God-made].

2.) Sanctity of Life.

3.) Sanctity of Marriage.

These firm foundations are laid out clearly in Genesis 1 and the warnings for these failures in Romans chapter 1.


49 posted on 01/22/2013 12:12:55 PM PST by BrandtMichaels
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