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My Answer to a Question My Daughter-in-Law Asked: What Can Done to Reduce Gun Violence

Posted on 01/18/2013 4:36:29 AM PST by ducttape45

My daughter-in-law asked me a question today. She asked me:

So I'm curious- COMPLETELY disregarding Obama, terrorism, muslims, etc- what do you think would be a solid solution to reduce gun violence?

This is my answer. It's long, but I hope you take the time to read it.

This is going to be a very difficult question to answer, mainly because there are no simple answers. But one thing is certain: guns, and the availability of them, are not the problem. I’m going to reach into the Bible tonight because the only answer(s) I can give you are found in the scriptures and nowhere else.

The problems with guns, and all forms of violence, all boils down to one inescapable truth: Man has a sin problem. Now before everyone says “oh there he goes again” please read what I have to say.

There are many passages in the Bible that talk about the condition of a man’s heart.

Proverbs 12:20, “Deceit is in the heart of them that imagine evil: but to the counsellors of peace is joy.”

Ecclesiastes 9:3, “This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead.”

Jeremiah 17:9, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”

Jeremiah 23:26, “How long shall this be in the heart of the prophets that prophesy lies? yea, they are prophets of the deceit of their own heart”

Matthew 12:35, “A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.”

Matthew 15:18, “But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.”

Matthew 15:19, “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies”

Mark 7:21, “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders”

Luke 6:45, “A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.”

You’re all probably asking yourselves, “Why is he bringing this up?” I’ll tell you. The founders of our nation built the Constitution upon one immutable principle, “A free people cannot survive under a representative republican constitution unless they remain virtuous and morally strong.” They also maintained that “without religion the government of a free people cannot be maintained.”

Up until the early 1960’s these principles were maintained. Sure, there were, and are going to be, people who did not follow biblical teachings, but on the whole the society was maintained at a level of morality and spirituality that was in keeping with basic Judeo/Christian values, and that in turn kept society strong and vibrant.

However, in the 1960’s all that changed.

1. In 1963 Madalyn Murray O’Hair brought a lawsuit that was called “Murray vs Curlett” which led to the end of Bible reading in American public schools. God got kicked out of school.

2. The legalization of abortion in 1973 has led to the deaths of nearly 50,000,000 children.

3. Pluralism and tolerance for anti and non-Christian religions, teachings and institutions have reared a generation who do not hold to the teachings of the Bible regarding salvation, holiness, love of their fellow man, intolerance towards evil, the concept of hell and a future judgment of man’s souls.

4. Teaching that everyone is right in their own eyes and using a Bible passage out of context “judge not lest you be judged” have given us a culture that would tolerate even someone like Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin, two people who killed millions of innocent men, women and children to further their socialistic agendas. (Communism killed over 500,000,000 million people in the 20th century alone)

Since the 1960’s a generation of people have arisen who “know not the Lord.” 2nd Thessalonians 2:1-4 says;

“Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.”

The falling away spoken of in this passage directly correlates to Matthew 24:24-25 where it says, “For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. Behold, I have told you before.”

That falling away has manifested itself, today, in a generation of people characterized by the following passage from the Book to the Romans, 1:18-32. It says:

"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

Now notice what it says. They did not “retain God in their knowledge.” Think of it this way. They chose not to acknowledge God. It was not because they could not, but because they were displeased with God, and chose to forsake him, and follow their own passions and lusts. This was the true source of their crimes.

Now we can start to arrive to an answer to Kayla’s question. “What do you think would be a solid solution to reduce gun violence?” With the class of people described in the passage above, there is not a single thing that can be done. These kind of people are “full of unrighteousness, wickedness, murders, inventors of evil things……” These are the people of today (granted, this doesn’t apply to everyone of course, but the ruling elite to be sure and many others). These are the people who rule this nation right now, and many others around the globe. Without the restraining influence of the Spirit of God in their lives, which came about because God was taken out of the schools and immorality was allowed into the vacuum that resulted, this country is now led by a class of citizens who have no real regard the well-being of the people they govern.

Oh, to be sure, there are people who do not fall into this group. There are many, thankfully like you kids and many of our friends and family here on Facebook, who still have a knowledge of God and sensitivity to His Spirit and who have not chosen to completely disregard Him, and to those belong the salvation of the nation if they so chose to rise up and bring about the right kind of societal change. But you see the problem?

Unless the condition of the heart is changed, there is no gun law in the world that will stop someone from killing another human being with it, or by any other means for that matter. So for politicians, college professors, liberal elitists in the media, and so on who say that guns are the problem, they are completely wrong!

The problem is the human heart. Remember what Mark 7:21 said above? “For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders.” It’s what is within a man’s heart, his soul, his very being, that commits the crime, not the instrument he chooses to do so with. You solve the “heart problem” and you arrive at the answer to your question.

And there is only one true solution to the problem of the heart. If there were others then this nation wouldn’t be in the mess it’s in now. But since all the others failed, that is proof enough that they don’t work, no matter how much it is argued otherwise. In Matthew 22:36-40 it reads as follows:

“Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Notice the words “love the Lord thy God with all thy heart.” The word “thy” is singular. Jesus is speaking directly to the individual. And the word “love” is from the Greek word “agapao.” It’s where we get our word “agape” which by translation means “love that is affectionate, benevolent.” If the people in this nation once again had this type of love in their hearts, there would be no need for gun laws. That would be the solution. That would be the answer to your question.

Do I personally expect that type of heart change happen? No, I don’t. Can it happen? Yes, it can. One only has to read the Book of Jonah to understand that. Jonah, a prophet of God from Israel, was told in Jonah 1:2, “Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and cry against it; for their wickedness is come up before me.”

He chose instead to head off in completely the other direction, hundreds of miles in the other direction! He said to himself, “there’s no way I’m going to go there.” You see, he hated the Ninevites because of the cruelty by which they plundered Israel and murdered its people. They were a truly despicable, evil people. But we know that God caused him to be swallowed by a great fish and taken to Nineveh, the hard way.

When he got there, and the fish vomited him upon the land, you can imagine the local folks went wild with fear and bewilderment. And for a city that was so huge that it took 3 whole days to go through it, that’s a lot of people to get excited. So when Jonah finally preached his message, “Yet forty days, and Nineveh will be overthrown” they believed him. Everyone from the king down to the stable animals wore sackcloth and sat in ashes in repentence. Jonah 3:10 says, “And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.”

So, can that happen here, can the heart of men and women in the USA be changed, and thereby solve not only the gun problem but all sorts of violent crimes, yes, but only if the condition of the heart is cured by the only means that can truly remedy the problem; sin, and that remedy is in the person of Jesus Christ. He is the answer to your question Kayla. Nothing, or no one, else can work the kind of miracle that is needed now. John 3:5-7 says,

“Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.” And the heart change that we so desperately crave will happen!

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To: ducttape45
"Communism killed over 500,000,000 million people in the 20th century alone"

Uh, you might want to check your math.....(try more like, ONE HUNDRED million).

21 posted on 01/18/2013 5:34:39 AM PST by safeasthebanks ("The most rewarding part, was when he gave me my money!" - Dr. Nick)
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To: ducttape45
My answer would be in two parts:

1) Why do you consider gun violence special? Are you any less dead if you are stabbed to death, or beaten to death?

2) The problem of violence come from allowing violent people loose on the street. According to a 2006 Dept of Justice paper:

* Thirty-six percent of violent felons had an active 
criminal justice status at the time of their arrest. 
This included 18% on probation, 12% on release 
pending disposition of a prior case, and 7% on 

* Seventy percent of violent felons had a prior arrest 
record, and 57% had at least one prior arrest for a 
felony. Sixty-seven percent of murderers and 73% of 
those convicted of robbery or assault had an arrest 

* A majority (56%) of violent felons had a prior 
conviction record. Thirty-eight percent had a prior 
felony conviction and 15% had a previous conviction 
for a violent felony. 

Too many violent criminals are on the street due to plea bargains. We need to focus on keeping violent criminals in jail.
22 posted on 01/18/2013 5:35:50 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: ducttape45

It’s a category for original content, editorial or thoughtful, analytic type posts such as yours. On your main FR page, look at the topics up top and you’ll see FreeperED - click on it to see the kinds of posts there. I think this is more appropriate for what you wrote than General/Chat for instance.

Your post is “gone like the wind” already to relatives/friends in FL, TX, VA .... thanks so much for taking the time to put ‘fingers to keyboard’!

23 posted on 01/18/2013 5:37:37 AM PST by MissMagnolia (You see, truth always resides wherever brave men still have ammunition. I pick truth. (John Ransom))
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To: ducttape45

Reduce violent crime by reducing the victim mentality and increasing the number of father’s present in children’s lives.

Focusing on gun crime is pointless, as it is violent crime that matters. I a woman that is beaten, raped, and strangled with her stockings better off because she wasn’t shot? Tell her that violent crime in “gun free” countries makes the U.S. look like an Amish picnic.

24 posted on 01/18/2013 5:41:46 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: ducttape45

Whether we’ve fallen away from God or not, gun violence, indeed crime in general, has generally been declining for 20 years. All the predictions that violent video games, violent movies, violent music, etc, was going to cause a surge in violence turned out to be bunk.

You’re answer is way too wordy. The long term answer is clean up the ghettos by reducing dependency - but that is a big fight about the social welfare state. The short term answer is to be very tough on crime. That means more effective policing the streets and locking people up for a very long time. The NY Times may struggle with this, but sensible American’s don’t - the crime rate goes down as we lock more criminals up.

25 posted on 01/18/2013 5:49:09 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: ducttape45
Gun violence is an awful thing. Its' cause is ALWAYS a bad or irresponsible person.

Outlaw irresponsible and bad people.

In fact, there is no other solution.

26 posted on 01/18/2013 5:49:45 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: ducttape45

The churches recognize that legitimate insanity exists, and for the most part, they agree that it is usually not demonic in character, but a malfunction of the brain or body.

This being said, the old definition of insanity was that a person, because of their mental illness, represents a threat of harm to themselves or others. As such, that they be institutionalized is a good thing for society at large, and a charitable thing for the mentally ill person.

However, because in past states confined people who were more inconvenient than representing a threat to themselves or others, eventually the courts decided that few but the entirely incapable should be confined in mental institutions. As such, the bulk of the criminally insane are confined in prisons, not mental institutions.

For this reason, there is a legitimate national reason to have several large federal reservation-medical facilities set aside specifically for the treatment of the mentally ill who are dangerous.

It would not be easy to be confined to such a reservation-medical facility, instead it would have to be after a chain of independent psychiatric evaluations.

First would be a private psychiatrist, family, or police referral which goes to the existing county psychiatric facility in use today. If, in their opinion, the person is a threat, then they are sent to the state institution for evaluation.

If, after an independent examination, the state mental institution determines that the findings are accurate, then a referral is made to the federal reservation. They perform a final initial independent diagnosis, and then different psychiatrists perform full follow up diagnoses each year thereafter.

Once admitted, unlike many state mental hospitals, which are used to “warehouse” the mentally ill; the federal reservation-medical center will active work to find a suitable treatment for them. If they find a drug, or a new drug is released to market, that seems to be effective, then for the first years’ use of that drug they act as a trustee.

This means that for some months the drug is administered under supervision, and then they are issued the drug for additional months, to determine if they are capable of continuing their medication on their own.

Release from the facility works in the reverse of admission, in that they must be certified at the federal, state and county level first. And any of these can veto their release.

27 posted on 01/18/2013 5:55:48 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at
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To: ducttape45

Gun violence is not the problem...Liberal politicians are.

In 2011:

323 death attributed to Guns.

496 deaths attributed to Hammers.

650 deaths attributed to Knives.

12,000 deaths attributed to Drunk Drivers.

195,000 deaths attributed to Malpractice by Physicians.

???? Deaths caused by wars instigated by politicians ???

28 posted on 01/18/2013 5:59:58 AM PST by chainsaw ("Two ways to conquer and enslave a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by Obama")
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To: ducttape45
You are right, all violence is caused by sin. Jesus has defeated sin and death but violence will only increase until the Prince of Peace has returned to trample his vintage. Why is gun violence more heinous than abortion violence?

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

29 posted on 01/18/2013 6:06:47 AM PST by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: ducttape45

Good work. They take the Creator out of the equation, then they say that two plus two is three and you are ignorant if you cannot see that.

30 posted on 01/18/2013 6:07:24 AM PST by winodog (Thank you Jesus for the calm in my life)
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To: silverleaf
for years and years, the Left has told us that it is degrading and morale-lowering to institutionalize those that are only marginally on the safe side of the sane-insane line of demarcation. [Yes, I understand that line to be somewhat fuzzy.] But I note that the perpetrators of all the big massacres of note in recent history (Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, Oslo, Sandy Hook Elementary) had a history of mental instability. Decisions have consequences.
31 posted on 01/18/2013 6:12:17 AM PST by Pecos (If more sane people carried guns, fewer crazies would get off a second shot.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Too many violent criminals are on the street due to plea bargains. We need to focus on keeping violent criminals in jail.

Liberals crack me up: when I hear one say, "penalties for gun violence must be harsher", I respond "better start building more prisons".

The typical response? "Our prisons are overflowing now! Too many Americans are in jail now! We can't build more prisons!"

32 posted on 01/18/2013 6:16:55 AM PST by Night Hides Not (The Tea Party was the earthquake, and Chick Fil A the tsunami...100's of aftershocks to come.)
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To: exnavy

They may not be killed in body but their minds will be just as surely killed by the inculcation of the communist dogma, that is for sure.

One piece of info generally missing from all these “studies” about violence and guns is, most of the criminal gun violence is done by repeat offenders. Seems to me if there were a punishment certain for using a fire arm in the commission of a violent felony, and by certain I mean death, gun violence would go down. Yet we hear nothing about doing this from His Excellency.

Of course this would do little to mitigate the potential for some nut job doing what happened in Conn. However, one must weigh the benefits of proactive mental health testing verses privacy and freedom issues. Matt Towery has an article about this in the paper today with more info about why this is a bad idea.

So the upshot here is the creature in the whitehouse has decided to wreck the second amendment in a two pronged approach....ban most weapons in common usage today AND make it as hard as possible for anyone to acquire any firearms through an elaborate bureaucratic maze. His myopic approach is similar to that of his nuclear arms ideas: get rid of them and then we don’t have to worry about them. I wish he felt the same about illegal aliens.

33 posted on 01/18/2013 6:19:56 AM PST by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: ducttape45

Have not read your entire piece but I have a minor disagreement with your beginning. In my opinion, it did not start in the 60’s. The 60’s is a too convienent scapegoat. It basically started with the push of socialism - or if you want to call it progress politics - back in the 1800’s. Those with socialistic beliefs started infiltrating government - from grass roots on up to the Fed level - and started chipping away at our Constitution and belief system.

34 posted on 01/18/2013 6:30:06 AM PST by 7thson (I've got a seat at the big conference table! I'm gonna paint my logo on it!)
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To: Night Hides Not
Liberals crack me up

You want to see a Leftist really flip out? Show him some stats on how many violent felons are children of welfare moms. Make the point that we would have far less violence if welfare didn't enable underclass single women to have so many dysfunctional kids.

35 posted on 01/18/2013 6:44:07 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: ducttape45
How to reduce gun violence:

Stop the "War on Drugs(TM)"; Restore lunatic control to its pre-1970 state as Charles Krauthammer suggests; Outlaw and ban the demoKKKrat party.

36 posted on 01/18/2013 7:03:58 AM PST by varmintman
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To: ducttape45

The answer to all of our troubles is a 3 part concoction: Attentive father + Gospel of Jesus + Lots of investment of time.

37 posted on 01/18/2013 7:10:54 AM PST by lurk
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To: ducttape45

I am so sorry that you got such a disrespectful and nasty response from your daughter. She has the Liberal Talking Points down pat, even quoting George Carlin as a “Moral Authority”. My heart goes out to you.

Please take comfort in the fact that there IS hope, as I was an extremely rebellious teen, a “flower child”, socialist, agnostic, angry, grievance-driven, trial to my loving parents.

They must have prayed for me, because now I am a Conservative, Tea-Party, Evangelical, Christian, FReeper who posts two daily prayer threads on FR.

And...I read your essay and agree with you.

“Take Heart, and Fear not. Let not your heart be troubled, for I have overcome the world”....Jesus.

38 posted on 01/18/2013 7:22:19 AM PST by left that other site (Worry is the darkroom that developes negatives.)
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To: chainsaw

“323 death attributed to Guns”

I *think* that is ‘long guns’.
Between Chicago and Detroit they probably have more than
323 gun deaths (although I do no know that for fact).

39 posted on 01/18/2013 7:27:36 AM PST by Verbosus (/* No Comment */)
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To: ducttape45

You,of course are 100% correct and judging by some of the replies so is God.

“Many shall be purified,and made white,and tried;but the wicked shall do wickedly:and none of the wicked shall understand;but the wise shall understand” Daniel CH.12 v.10

40 posted on 01/18/2013 7:30:10 AM PST by logitech (Who's here so vile, that will not love his country? If any speak, for him I have offended)
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