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Construction is complete on behemoth airship; first flight planned
LA Times ^ | January 4, 2013 | W.J. Hennigan

Posted on 01/05/2013 10:39:18 AM PST by iowamark

A massive cargo-carrying airship has taken shape inside one of the 17-story wooden blimp hangars at the former military base in Tustin.

According to aircraft maker Worldwide Aeros Corp., construction is complete on a 36,000-pound blimp-like aircraft designed for the military to carry tons of cargo to remote areas around the world.

The Montebello company hopes to have a first flight in the coming months and to demonstrate cargo-carrying capability shortly thereafter...

The Aeroscraft is a zeppelin with a 230-foot rigid skeleton made of aluminum and carbon fiber. It's a new type of hybrid aircraft that combines airplane and airship technologies and doesn't need a long runway to take off or land because it has piston engines that allow it to move vertically and a new high-tech buoyancy control system...

"This will land in Africa, Afghanistan," Pasternak told The Times in September, "a Wal-Mart parking lot -- wherever."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Science
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more pictures at the link

1 posted on 01/05/2013 10:39:22 AM PST by iowamark
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Pics and video at:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Worldwide-Aeros-Corp/180735218613257


2 posted on 01/05/2013 10:43:42 AM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

Is it just me, or does it seem like this thing is just a big sitting duck? Except the duck is floating slowly, not sitting. Has to be a lot easier to take out than a maneuvering jet aircraft with countermeasures. Probably some Greenie thought it was a great idea.


3 posted on 01/05/2013 10:44:04 AM PST by rbg81
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To: iowamark
Hangar One at Moffett Field would be perfect for this airship:

Except for one thing...the envirokooks destroyed it because the rainwater coming off the sides was supposedly contaminated:

Today the once-beautiful and historic structure is an ugly skeleton rusting in the rain. I'm certain all those corrosion products are harmless to the environment. Rampant government stupidity is on fine public display adjacent to CA 101 in Mountain View, CA.

4 posted on 01/05/2013 10:46:53 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: iowamark

After you...........


5 posted on 01/05/2013 10:46:53 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: iowamark

A perfect skydiving platform for massive formations!


6 posted on 01/05/2013 10:47:48 AM PST by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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To: iowamark

Hindenberg


7 posted on 01/05/2013 10:48:06 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: iowamark

If Moochell Odinga stood next to this thing her butt might not look so big.


8 posted on 01/05/2013 10:54:10 AM PST by Eaker (Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. — Robert A. Heinlein.)
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To: iowamark

This has been in the works for decades and I suspect that it will work well. They have spent a lot of time to come up with a suitable platform and it is going to be valuable.

As far as protection, I doubt that they have let that go. It is probably very difficult to shoot down. Most likely oompartmentalized envelope etc.


9 posted on 01/05/2013 10:56:05 AM PST by buffaloguy
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To: Eaker

The new Omelda shopping aircraft.

Space for 17000 pairs of tasteless shoes, 25000 plastic handbags amd a 100000 boob belts.


10 posted on 01/05/2013 11:00:19 AM PST by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (Vendetta))
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To: iowamark

Happy Days are here again and I’m gonna party like it’s 1937!


11 posted on 01/05/2013 11:01:52 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: GeronL

I’d go with “Huge Manatee.”


12 posted on 01/05/2013 11:02:38 AM PST by x
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To: x

lol


13 posted on 01/05/2013 11:05:37 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: iowamark

Used to be a radio operator on that base in 1977, was in those hangers alot


14 posted on 01/05/2013 11:21:48 AM PST by reefdiver
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To: iowamark

What could possibly go wrong? /sarc


15 posted on 01/05/2013 11:23:10 AM PST by green pastures (Cynicism-- it's not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

When did that happen - I haven’t been to that area in at least a decade. Loved to watch the U2 take off many years ago.


16 posted on 01/05/2013 11:24:56 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo
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17 posted on 01/05/2013 11:29:11 AM PST by RedMDer (Those that believe in gun free zones should put GUN FREE ZONE on their property and persons.)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

They began taking it apart some time last year. It is now just the skeleton rusting away. The Google guys HQ is close by and they have offered money to put a new skin on it, but nothing is being done yet.

It took the greenies about 10 years to convince everybody that it just HAD to be done. They tried to get the Navy to pay for a new skin, but I think they just paid for demolition. The plan was to rip off the skin and then...who knows? We’ll just see what happens. So now it stands, completely denuded.


18 posted on 01/05/2013 11:33:02 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: iowamark

Hope it’s got a kevlar skin if they’re planning on using it for military payloads in Afghanistan. Talk about the broad side of a barn, it would be easily hit.


19 posted on 01/05/2013 11:33:25 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: iowamark

Up, up and away in my beautiful my beautiful balloon.


20 posted on 01/05/2013 11:40:47 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: buffaloguy

I dunno. I can se this being useful in extremely unique operations. It lifts 66 tons...half of what a C-5 can lift. Sure, it needs no runway, but neither to helicopters...and the Chinook lifts 14 tons...so 5 helicopters can do the job of this blimp.

I imagine the advantage this blimp has is a very long range, compared to a helicopter. So, in theory, it can go to very remote areas, or altitudes that helicopters can’t easily reach. The article didn’t list speed; but, I bet its slow. So I don’t think it would be used to insert a SEAL team for example. Rather, it would get a self propelled howitzer placed up on top of a mountaintop if Afghanistan, for example...where this would have previously been impossible due to a Chinook’s altitude restrictions.

So, I see some uses...but I don’t think they would ever, in a million years, fly this thing where there was a good probability of getting shot at. Even if the blimp is resilent and compartmentalized, the enemy could just fire rockets at the cargo, and get it ignited.


21 posted on 01/05/2013 11:49:45 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: iowamark

Just don’t name it after a German Field Marshall.


22 posted on 01/05/2013 11:51:19 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

That’s perfect symbology for what 0bama has done to America. A perfectly good hangar that got demolished because people who hate the concept of American superiority used ‘the environment’ as an excuse to take it down.


23 posted on 01/05/2013 12:00:48 PM PST by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (IMPEACH OBAMA)
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To: iowamark
The only thing we learn from history is we learn nothing from history (Friedrich Hegel).

from an article in blimpinfo.com....

Another Air Force airship, filled with 420,000 cubic feet of helium and air and costing $8.2 million, floated away and exploded last year when a tropical storm blew in during a test flight in Puerto Rico. Army aerostats have also been lost in high winds.

24 posted on 01/05/2013 12:02:52 PM PST by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America

Exactly right...they didn’t plan the project to completion, they didn’t secure necessary funding to complete the project, and they got the destruction only half-done. On the bright side, maybe Obama will “succeed” in the same fashion by demolishing only half of America, not the whole thing.


25 posted on 01/05/2013 12:04:11 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: iowamark

An our enemies will say...

Hate to burst your balloon, but.....


26 posted on 01/05/2013 12:15:45 PM PST by illiac (If we don't change directions soon, we'll get where we're going)
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To: RegulatorCountry
if they’re planning on using it for military payloads in Afghanistan

That is not the purpose. It can haul up to 66 tons at 1/3 the fuel cost of a large cargo plane. And it can take-off and land without a significant runway.

27 posted on 01/05/2013 12:18:29 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: iowamark; Revolting cat!; Slings and Arrows; Daffynition

We have silverfish bigger than that in Texas...

28 posted on 01/05/2013 12:37:08 PM PST by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: iowamark
I live and work somewhat near the hangar where this thing is stored, so maybe I'll get an opportunity to see it and/or film one of the test flights. That would be cool!

As for those FReepers concerned about it being shot down, there's no way it'll be used in any combat situation. Think of it as the air version of a cargo truck, not a tank or other battle vehicle. It can hover with payload for a lot longer than a helicopter without burning nearly the same amount of fuel. Limited purpose, but still valuable and appropriate for a number of situations.

29 posted on 01/05/2013 12:46:38 PM PST by Two Kids' Dad (((( Leftists: Stupid or Evil. Sometimes both. ))))
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To: thackney

That’s funny, I could have sworn the article itself stated that it was for military payloads and Afghanistan as well as Africa were mentioned as being destinations.

Am I mistaken?


30 posted on 01/05/2013 12:58:58 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Uncle Chip
Just don’t name it after a German Field Marshal.

My father never forgot seeing the Graf Zeppelin--named for a German nobleman--that was older and somewhat smaller than the one named for the field marshal. The airship stopped at Los Angeles International Airport in 1929 as part of its round-the-world flight.

31 posted on 01/05/2013 1:15:16 PM PST by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I was looking at the corporation web site:

The Aeroscraft is designed to offer new capabilities to the warfighter by deploying composite loads of personnel and equipment “from fort to fight”. The vehicle’s design would allow supporting a multitude of missions including search and rescue, emergency relief, airborne hospital and many others. It would also offer significant benefits to oil and gas exploration and wind energy industries amongst many others that operate in remote and ecologically sensitive areas by allowing a constant access to operating sites with a minimum environmental impact.

http://www.aeroscraft.com/#/news-and-updates/4565657688

But I see where you are right about it mentioned in the article. They referenced a previous article where that was originally said:

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/sep/01/business/la-fi-0902-cover-nextgen-airship-20120902

There I find they have:

Currently, there are more than 100 aerostats being used in Afghanistan, up from fewer than 10 in 2004.

Resembling small blimps, these aerostats are tethered to the ground and float thousands of feet above military bases and important roadways. They are big enough that gunfire below won’t take them down.

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Pasternak’s Aeroscraft being built in Tustin is a zeppelin with a rigid skeleton made of aluminum and carbon fiber. A new type of hybrid aircraft that combines airplane and airship technologies, the Aeroscraft doesn’t need a long runway to take off or land because it has piston engines that allow it to move vertically and a new high-tech buoyancy control system.

Pasternak runs a hand through his mop of salt-and-pepper hair and points to the spiny monstrosity, boasting of its versatility.

“This will land in Africa, Afghanistan,” he says, “a Wal-Mart parking lot — wherever.”

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So it sounds like they will be used there, just as smaller ones are used there now.


32 posted on 01/05/2013 1:52:51 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: blueunicorn6

Thanks a lot,now I`ve got that stupid song

playing in my head :)


33 posted on 01/05/2013 2:25:05 PM PST by Harold Shea (RVN `70 - `71)
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To: thackney

^^^ And it can take-off and land without a significant runway. ^^^

As long as the wind is not blowing too hard.

I wonder if the mooring mast is still operational on top of the Empire State bldg.........


34 posted on 01/05/2013 2:29:11 PM PST by wrench
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To: wrench

Was that thing ever actually used with a passenger dirigible?

I just can’t imagine too many people being able to walk across whatever sort of ramp or stairway there might have been, subject to instability in wind, over a hundred stories up.

The pucker factor must’ve been something else, even for trained personnel, let alone passengers, if it ever occurred.


35 posted on 01/05/2013 2:34:56 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

I recall seeing that it was never used. There should be a full set of plans archived with the building blueprints detailing the equipment.

I agree, pucker factor would be way up there.


36 posted on 01/05/2013 2:38:30 PM PST by wrench
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To: RegulatorCountry

Unfortunately, not much research was done as to whether or not a dirigible could anchor to the top of a building in the middle of a city. Usually, dirigibles were anchored by many ropes in the middle of an airfield, purposely away from the center of cities.

Only once did a dirigible dock at the mast. In September 1931, a small, privately owned dirigible made contact with the top of the Empire State Building. Dropping a long rope, a ground crew of three were able to catch the rope and hold onto it. Though it took the small dirigible over half an hour to accomplish this, it was only able to stay moored for three minutes.

It was determined that the air drafts from the height of the building, the danger of explosions over a city, as well as the infeasibility of tying up a dirigible by a single rope caused the mooring mast on top of the Empire State Building to be unusable.

http://history1900s.about.com/od/1930s/a/empirestatemast.htm


37 posted on 01/05/2013 2:58:37 PM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: rbg81
Is it just me, or does it seem like this thing is just a big sitting duck?

I'm not sure that zeppelins are as easy to destroy on purpose as one might think. Because the gas is close to ambient pressure it doesn't just rush out when there is a hole. And normally it would be kept in multiple cells. Of course the engines and control compartments could be attacked, but maybe that wouldn't crash it either (unlike a plane). And of course it would probably be escorted.

As I recall a lot of the famous zeppelin crashes were due to the weather. So that is a major liability, as is the fact that the lifting capacity diminishes with altitude.

38 posted on 01/05/2013 3:39:40 PM PST by wideminded
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To: iowamark
It's an aerostat. A lighter than air vehicle.

It is NOT a blimp but a rigid airship. A series of helium filled bags enclosed inside a framework, which is then covered with an outer skin to provide an airworthy shape.

Any dirigible flying today, also rigid, has very impressive control systems based on engine nacelles that pivot to give vertical control and may be able to provide for sideways/directional control as well.

Since you can put anywhere from two to hundreds of gas bags inside the frame, gunfire and most missiles aren't likely to take one down. Of course, controls and power are vulnerable in any aircraft.

The idea of such a cargo handler is not even new and, yes, proper applications are either not military or military only under quite secure conditions...not jumping troops over hostile territory or hauling supplies to some isolated fire base.

Most apt use is a niche between sea borne and existing fixed wing airlifters; faster than the former and cheaper than the latter.

39 posted on 01/05/2013 4:22:18 PM PST by norton
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To: norton

think of bypassing all those ports and port workers.


40 posted on 01/05/2013 6:49:27 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: iowamark

So so many parallels between now and the years preceeding WWII......you had the Zepplins of 1930s Germany, attempts at gun grabbing, pandering to the poor with blaming of certain groups (it was Jews, now old white men), Weimar Scrip and a whole new monetary system based on unending serial taxation, total debasement and corruption of the legal system......there are others .....

They might as well paint a Swastika on it (or the equivalent - The Obama Sunrise).


41 posted on 01/06/2013 2:21:48 AM PST by Gaffer
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