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Friendly flushing: Water-efficient toilets help make sustainable homes
Northwestern.edu ^ | DEC 06, 2012 | MELODY CHANDLERAND, WILL GRUNEWALD

Posted on 12/06/2012 7:20:37 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs

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To: llevrok

wait till that rubber bladder in that toilet pops and blows the lid of the thing.

It might take a while but you’ll get your “I told ya so!” moment.


62 posted on 12/06/2012 9:03:01 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: Chickensoup

Last time we where out there their only complaint is they have been moving that old s#$t house around so long they forgot what is virgin land and what is not.


63 posted on 12/06/2012 9:05:26 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

I wonder if a civilian can get ahold of one of those industrial Walmart toilets, those things can suck the sh!t right out of you.


64 posted on 12/06/2012 9:08:09 PM PST by Husker24
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To: BuffaloJack

Anyone who is flushing more than once, needs a newer toilet, it took a while for the manufacturers to catch up with the laws.

You must be doing something to your 60 years old toilet to make it a 3 gallon flusher, because those used to be 5.5 to 7 gallon flushers.

The 3.5 toilets from the 1980s were pretty bad also.

Once the states started passing laws regulating toilets the manufacturers asked the feds to make national standards.

I don’t know when federal involvement started but in the sixties toilets had already gone to 5.5 gallons from 7 gallons and that was followed by 3.5 gallons in the 80s, then the 1.6 in 1994.


65 posted on 12/06/2012 9:08:29 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: Chickensoup; cableguymn; SunkenCiv
A clean airy privy that is well limed and moved annually is a goood think. I think peple used to plant daylilies over the old privy site which gave them the vulgar name of Sh**house Roses in some parts of the country.

I read elsewhere that people would plant honeysuckle around a privy to make it smell nice, or hollyhocks to help hide it.

After the great Loma Prieta earthquake in 1989, the Cypress Structure of the Nimitz Freeway (I-80, East SF Bay, Oakland, CA) had to be demolished and rerouted. Along with the reconstruction plans there was an obligatory archaeological study of West Oakland and the houses that would be affected by the construction. This study included an in-depth look at material culture of California in the late 19th - early 20th century (Oakland was founded in 1852) and many, many artifacts were found where outhouses had been located, since they were used as trash heaps.

http://www.sonoma.edu/asc/cypress/finalreport/index.htm

66 posted on 12/06/2012 9:13:42 PM PST by thecodont
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To: ansel12

The repeated flushes might be more than just the toilet that is the cause. Old plumbing system (like the one in my house) are not designed to handle taking a trud from the toilet to the septic tank with just 1.6 gallons.

our old 1.6 flush toilet would normally block the pipe to the septic because the small amount of water would leave things behind.

With the new (old) 5 gallon toilet there is again enough water to carry it all down.


67 posted on 12/06/2012 9:15:46 PM PST by cableguymn (The founding fathers would be shooting by now..)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs
Due to the shallow grade of the main sewer pipe to the street connection and the low-flow toilet already required when the house was built in 1985 it takes 2-3 flushes to do the job.

Composting toilets are allowable here now (weren't in '85) but they can't be dry. They are required by law to use water. They also have to be certified to comply with "all laws, rules and regulations." I assume that means "all" county, state and feral "laws, rules and regulations."

You eco-nuts can't have big government and freedom of choice particularly low impact technologies. Suck it up, cupcakes, you wanted Big Brother so now you have to file a $100 Environmental Impact Statement every time you wipe your sorry tree hugging butts with your one square of government approved toilet paper.

68 posted on 12/06/2012 9:18:50 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: ClearCase_guy

> I don’t know why having a toilet that needs to be flushed 3 or 4 times helps the environment ... but if you say so ...

Exactly. It always takes 2 or more flushes to get the bowl “clean” again...lol. Used to only take one. I wonder if they have figured out that the old ones were more efficient yet? lol


69 posted on 12/06/2012 9:20:26 PM PST by jsanders2001
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To: ansel12

Sorry, the ‘60s-’80s toilets are 3.0 gal, not 3.5 (not sure if there are different regulations then for different places, but that is the parents’ volume). Thus is it less to flush once old than to flush 2x in the modern requirement.


70 posted on 12/06/2012 9:22:17 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: cableguymn

It must be unique to your house, because when constructed properly, the plumbing is the same whether it goes to the city, or to the septic.

When I run into a toilet that is adjusted properly yet has a weak flush, then I just tell the people that it needs to be replaced with a better flushing model.

Forty years ago people would demineralize their toilets with acid, to help restore the original flush.


71 posted on 12/06/2012 9:23:30 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: jsanders2001

It has only been a little over thirty years so ... no, they haven’t figured out the math yet.


72 posted on 12/06/2012 9:25:30 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: thecodont

I remember honeysuckle. I had an archeologist acquaintance who specialized in 17TH and 18th century and she spent most of her time in old privies. I found a certain satisfaction it that.


73 posted on 12/06/2012 9:27:13 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: cableguymn

Last time we where out there their only complaint is they have been moving that old s#$t house around so long they forgot what is virgin land and what is not.

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I think that is why the oldtimes planted the daylilies to mark the old spots.


74 posted on 12/06/2012 9:29:05 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: KoRn

They’ll put sensors in the toilet to measure the size of the feces, and tax
us by the pound.


75 posted on 12/06/2012 9:31:59 PM PST by rfp1234 (Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon.)
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To: cableguymn

Reminds me of the time our CO on USS Nimitz screamed over the voicetube to the bridge to get the Chief Engineer to his cabin. Seems the pressure reducer failed and 150 psi firemain hit his john when he flushed. Broken porcelain and bits of brown trout everywhere.


76 posted on 12/06/2012 9:32:32 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: cableguymn

Reminds me of the time our CO on USS Nimitz screamed over the voicetube to the bridge to get the Chief Engineer to his cabin. Seems the pressure reducer failed and 150 psi firemain hit his john when he flushed. Broken porcelain and bits of brown trout everywhere.


77 posted on 12/06/2012 9:32:54 PM PST by GreyHoundSailor
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To: ansel12

My tank holds 4 gallons. It is a low-flow installed in ‘85. It has no mineral buildup after 27 years. It has fairly new guts that work perfectly. It takes at least 2 flushes to do the job and has since day one. The only design that would change the equation is one that used more water.


78 posted on 12/06/2012 9:33:09 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: rfp1234

They’ll put sensors in the toilet to measure the size of the feces, and tax us by the pound.
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For Pete’s sake, shush!

They dont need anymore ideas!


79 posted on 12/06/2012 9:33:29 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftist Totalitarian Fascism coming to a country like yours.)
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To: Slump Tester

In the old designs it takes lots of water to get a lot of waste down.

The better new toilets can handle a lot of solid waste because of the bowl design and how the water enters the bowl. Toilets are rated as to how much solid waste they can handle and when I needed to change out my old 5 gallon toilet becaue the tank cracked, I researched the low flows and got one that flushes better than the old one using 1/3 the water.


80 posted on 12/06/2012 9:38:22 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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