Posted on 12/06/2012 7:20:37 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs
This is so SILLY. There IS NOT any SUCH THING as a “shortage” of water. If you needed water, you could order a pallet load of bottled water from Iceland delivered by FEDEX overnight. You can have all the water you want to purchase, just about anywhere on earth.
There is only a shortage of the money, or the will to spend the money, to have sufficient water of sufficient quality delivered to the user.
Why is this so hard to grasp?
It was not directed at you, sorry if you felt it was. it was at the people who designed and built the faulty product.
I have no idea where the 1.6 toilet came from that I personally replaced with the 5 GPF unit. It was installed before we bought the house (although not long before. the bathroom was a compete remodel before it was put on the market). I might have worked better if they replaced the run in the basement but with our septic the sewer line does not exit the house at floor level in the basement. It’s about 4 feet up. That does not help with the slope of the drain pipe either.
It is silly that you think that price doesn’t matter, especially when it comes to the costs of routine life, electricity, water, food.
Why do you think that people go to such great lengths on an individual basis to save water, why do you think that people in rainless climates landscape with the cost of water as the primary concern?
In Southern California we don’t have the grass yards of my hometown of Houston, many yards are deliberately covered with rocks or some desert friendly covering, anything to avoid the cost of water.
I think that you are probably the most clueless poster I have seen here in years and that you don’t have any knowledge about anything regarding water or even normal life. Anyone who doesn’t think that cost matters in regards to water and sewage, is a moron, even Barbara Streisand who spends about %23,000.00 a year on water at her house, is probably aware that many people can’t, and don’t want to spend that money annually.
You sound like a typical liberal, solar and desalinated water before the market can make them affordable, because money is no object to a lefty idiot who can afford to import bottled water to wash his blue jeans and flush his toilets.
Think roughly 1/8th to 1/4 inch fall per foot as correct, in general, that looks almost flat to the normal person.
I use my RO wastewater for most of the freshwater tanks. The plants and fish prefer hard water so this is perfect.
Spent plenty of time in the area to know it is a desert. They get their water from the Colorado River basin ~ and a little further North they can get water from the Aquaduct.
I even know personally the first regular employee of the California Water Authority (to wit, the Aquaduct) whose job was to run up and down a long segment and reset valves.
Just what is it you want to know about water in California ~ 'cause you sure don't sound like you have the slightest idea about it.
If you read my posts again, you will see that I was supporting your position.
Sorry, you need to make that instantly clear ~ i’ve been busy at a julbord today snacking on every way you can find to eat lots and lots and lots of salmon ~ first, avoid the mackeral ~
It use to drupe due to the house sinking.. I fixed that. The run is 25 feet and has a total drop of 2”.. I have looked and looked at it and with out putting the turd catcher on a step, that is about as good as it’s gonna get.
I didn’t have fresh water ;) Reef shop only.
Is it 4” pipe, cast iron?
“It is silly that you think that price doesn’t matter, especially when it comes to the costs of routine life, electricity, water, food.”
Of course price matters, but the entire thread had been about the shortage of MONEY that people are willing to allocate to gaining access to sufficient water of suitable quality. However, the shortage of MONEY has been called a shortage of water!
In truth, there is no place on earth that water cannot be provided to. It is only a matter of cost, for money can buy the equipment and manpower to facilitate the provisions. Part of the reason it can cost $1 million a year to keep a single soldier in a forward base in Afghanistan is because of the pallet loads of water that the military hauls by multiple air cargo hops and then makes final delivery by a helicopter escorted by Cobra gun ships.
Indeed, while water is carefully managed on the ISS, the crew can have as much as they want. It costs ten thousand of dollars a pound to haul it up there. [1] But like any other person who has the costs of routine life, electricity, water, food to allocate from their finite income, the cost of water forces people to make decisions about use and priority. The ISS is no different.
Indeed, where government distorts the costs of water, it can cause massive mis-allocation of capital and activity. This is part of the legacy of water rights in the western US. I live in the central US and at this very moment the public debate about water management is about how many millions of gallons a second should the Missouri River be allowed to flush into the Mississippi River. In most years, the Missouri is managed by flushing sufficient water into it so it is deep enough to run barge traffic for a certain number of months. This year parts of the Mississippi are almost too low for barge traffic. At St. Louis, that river is normally about a mile wide and it flows faster than you can walk.
If water was in “shortage” we would be running millions of truckloads of that water to the rest of the country. But that costs too much! Simple economics dictates that less expensive sources be exploited first. Again, the root issue is cost not availability.
Indeed, since the oceans are as full as ever, there literally cannot be a shortage of water, ever.
[1] http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-launch-costs.htm
Having a hard time with salt. Finally sdet up a copper system for fish.
Wow, read post 120. You post like a troll out to waste everyone’s time.
I had a water efficient washing machine. It did not get the clothes clean, malfunctioned frequently, and ate clothes. Never again.
Give me an old top loading machine without a computer in it. They work.
let me know if you have any other troubles with um. I had a death rate of less than 2% in my systems. Copper is one way to help keep the rate down.
I still have some contacts in the trade to if your wondering about suppliers for things you can’t find.
Do you sell coral? probably already know but keep the coral and inverts out of the copper systems.
I read post #120. It proves my point exactly. This issue is the cost of the water, and any “shortage” is imposed only due to the inability or unwillingness to spend sufficient money.
If resisting silly ideas is being a “troll” then so be it. If there is any time-wasting going on here is with people who put up signs at hotels next to the ocean that plead for me to save water, and who write government regulations and policy based on the specious idea that I am better off when I don’t “waste” water that I would otherwise be happy to purchase with my own money.
Amazing.
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