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Friendly flushing: Water-efficient toilets help make sustainable homes
Northwestern.edu ^ | DEC 06, 2012 | MELODY CHANDLERAND, WILL GRUNEWALD

Posted on 12/06/2012 7:20:37 PM PST by ExxonPatrolUs

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To: rfp1234

You should say such terrible things on a public forum!

You might give them ideas!!!!


81 posted on 12/06/2012 9:40:20 PM PST by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: TigersEye

We just remodeled our baths in San Diego. The low flow toilets we installed work fine..first time, but they now have larger flush valves. Same amount..faster flush.
We also installed a on demand hot water circulating pump..we push a button and it circulates the hot water to get hot before you turn it on. These things have cut our water bill by 30%. The pump cost $200 and I installed it myself under the sink.


82 posted on 12/06/2012 9:41:14 PM PST by Oldexpat
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To: Focault's Pendulum

The actual cost of the water may be underpriced, but all the other freaking charges they put on my bill that have nothing to do with my actual, personal water use, are overpriced.

about 20-25 % of my water bill is actual water use cost. The rest are service charges, storm water charges, sewer charges - stuff I have no ability to reduce by using less water. My local water people have no current plans as to how to reduce those charges for me.


83 posted on 12/06/2012 9:42:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel
Sorry, the ‘60s-’80s toilets are 3.0 gal, not 3.5 (not sure if there are different regulations then for different places, but that is the parents’ volume).

I don't know where you are getting your data, because as a service plumber and plumbing contractor, I was around when the 3.5 gallon flushers were introduced, and I'm calling that about 1980.

It took until the late 1960s to make the complete switch over from 7 gallons to 5.5 gallons in manufacturing.

84 posted on 12/06/2012 9:44:42 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

“can begin as little more than a bucket filled with a layer of a carbon-rich material such as dry leaves, sawdust or newspaper.”

Somehow, I just can’t picture my late father heading for his throne with the Sunday papers under one arm and a bucket full of leaves in the other.

I mean seriously, wouldn’t it be even simpler to just go behind a tree in the back yard?


85 posted on 12/06/2012 9:47:24 PM PST by DemforBush (100% Ex-Democrat.)
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To: Oldexpat
I wanted to install an on-demand water heater when I built this house in '85. It was the only red ink on my blueprints. (most architects plans look like someone bled out on them) I had a window too close to where it needed to vent and didn't want to give it up so I went with a conventional tank heater.

Venting solutions have changed since then so I was going to retrofit when the tank went out a few years ago. No plumber would install one because we're at 7,600 feet and no manufacturer will stand by an on-demand at this altitude. That was disappointing.

86 posted on 12/06/2012 9:55:07 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: ExxonPatrolUs

Yep, even though you have to stand there with a plunger and the phone number of the plumber on speed dial.


87 posted on 12/06/2012 9:57:41 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Our benighted municipality charges for water and then doubles it by charging for waste water sewage. I run a tropical fish store and have complained that I do not discharge nearly as much water as I consume. The response: Doesn’t matter. The sewer charge is merely a way to double the cost of water use. At least they are honest about their deception.


88 posted on 12/06/2012 10:22:49 PM PST by Louis Foxwell (Better the devil we can destroy than the Judas we must tolerate.)
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To: thecodont

Composting will not necessarily destroy STD’s, prions, cancers, or other human ills.

This woman is suggesting that we put ourselves at risk for various epidemics, for the sake of Mother Gaia.

Sorry Mother, I can’t do that.


89 posted on 12/06/2012 10:29:21 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Slump Tester

I’m on well and septic, so there is no reason for me to conserve water simply to use less.


90 posted on 12/06/2012 10:30:57 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Eight years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: cableguymn

Married with children was one of the all-time satirical shows. I don’t think it will ever be beaten.


91 posted on 12/06/2012 10:31:36 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: TigersEye
My tank holds 4 gallons. It is a low-flow installed in ‘85. It has no mineral buildup after 27 years. It has fairly new guts that work perfectly. It takes at least 2 flushes to do the job and has since day one. The only design that would change the equation is one that used more water.

I would tell my customer the simple fact, they need a new toilet.

You got one of those low flow toilets during the period that they were 3.5 gallons, and many of them were lousy, they went through the same process as with the 1.6 gallon flushers (from junk to OK).

At first the manufacturers just used less water with the old designs and bowls, they did that with the early 3.5 gallon water savers and then these 1.6 gallon water savers, but the problems have been worked out now, do some research and you can find great toilets to replace that faulty one of yours.

Personally, I use old 1.6 gallon toilets that I have removed from customer's house because they were weak models (but attractive, one Kohler, one American Standard), and they work fine for me but I do keep a plunger close if they need a bump. If they were an issue, I would go buy a new Toto, or whichever brand is a good one currently.

92 posted on 12/06/2012 10:46:20 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: ansel12
At first the manufacturers just used less water with the old designs and bowls...

Any reason those couldn't be retrofitted to handle larger flushes to get rid of their problems?

93 posted on 12/06/2012 10:48:35 PM PST by Post Toasties (Leftists give insanity a bad name. 0bama: Eight years of failure and fingerpointing.)
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To: TigersEye
I wanted to install an on-demand water heater when I built this house in '85. It was the only red ink on my blueprints. (most architects plans look like someone bled out on them) I had a window too close to where it needed to vent and didn't want to give it up so I went with a conventional tank heater.

Ah, I had to look that one up.

http://www.wikihow.com/Read-Architect%27s-Drawings

From this I understand that this was the only modification to your home's original plans. Am I correct?

94 posted on 12/06/2012 10:51:22 PM PST by thecodont
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To: Post Toasties; Oldexpat

It is best just to buy a decent toilet.

Look at post 82, he likes his new toilets.


95 posted on 12/06/2012 10:57:38 PM PST by ansel12 (The only Senate seat GOP pick up was the Palin endorsed Deb Fischer's successful run in Nebraska)
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To: thecodont

Yes, that was the only thing the county building department didn’t approve of in my blueprints. I used to build houses and I’ve never seen a professional architect’s plans that didn’t have loads of red penned corrections on them. I also had my plans approved in exactly 7 days. I felt pretty good about my first set of drawings. No computers with CAD software either.


96 posted on 12/06/2012 11:10:33 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: TigersEye
Yes, that was the only thing the county building department didn’t approve of in my blueprints. I used to build houses and I’ve never seen a professional architect’s plans that didn’t have loads of red penned corrections on them. I also had my plans approved in exactly 7 days. I felt pretty good about my first set of drawings. No computers with CAD software either.

Nice job on your house!

97 posted on 12/06/2012 11:32:57 PM PST by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Thank you! Thank you very much. I built it for my mother and she has told me often that she loves it. (only I know its flaws lol) I still feel pretty good about it. It was a high point in my life in several ways.


98 posted on 12/06/2012 11:51:49 PM PST by TigersEye (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Chickensoup

“I am a wealth of useless information.”

I found it interesting:)


99 posted on 12/07/2012 12:51:12 AM PST by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Bravo!!!


100 posted on 12/07/2012 1:32:51 AM PST by 5cents
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