Skip to comments.Walmart --- Can They Be Stopped? (vanity)
Posted on 10/10/2012 8:09:47 AM PDT by Beowulf
Does any one have any experience or insight into fighting Walmart expansion that they would be willing to share?
Economic prosperity breeds MORE economic prosperity. Maybe not the same kind, but, other kinds.
Free markets change and adjust—businesses rise and fail.
The problem today is that regulation—local and federal—makes is much harder for new businesses to rise, hence when change makes them fail, new ones don’t replace them...and we have rust-belt style blight.
And we wonder why the rust-belt happens to also be in the bluer of blue states?
The innovator and now king of progressive persuasion video is Brave New Films [producer of Walmart: The High Cost Of Low Prices] and its visionary helmsman Robert Greenwald, who segued from a career in Hollywood to position himself as the go-to-guy with political video, with a huge presence on the Internet.
When AlterNet did its reader poll of the most influential progressives last year, some of the readers' picks, such as Bill Moyers, Michael Moore and Amy Goodman, were obvious and expected. In a sense there were only three newcomers (people who have made their mark in the past 10 years) in the top echelon -- Rachel Maddow, Arianna Huffington, and the biggest surprise, Robert Greenwald. In the past decade, Greenwald has carved out an important niche, and in effect he is the first primarily Internet-based progressive star to break through.
Who actually owns the property now? The former business? WalMart’s property-acquisition division? The city or county (picked up for unpaid property taxes, perhaps)?
Why waste any energy on “stopping” Walmart? ALL of your energy should go into stopping pin-headed, moonbat LIBs. Unless...you a5re some sort of commie pinko in disguise.
Why waste any energy on “stopping” Walmart? ALL of your energy should go into stopping pin-headed, moonbat LIBs. Unless...you are some sort of commie pinko in disguise.
I agree with you. I am not against Wal-Mart, but I am not for them either.
Our town has a derelict former Wal-Mart store, which moved its business down the road. Its a real eyesore - weeds, graffiti, dumped garbage, etc... I imagine Wal-Mart doesn’t even own it. Its probably a property developer. I also know our town dropped their pants 15 years ago with benefits to get Wal-Mart to locate there.
Its futile to try to support the “mom and pops” but how about just applying the law equally? I also agree that maximum authority should be given to the lowest levels of Gov’t - ie) the town - to make decisions on their own future.
Buy the land from Walmart so you can do with the land what you wish.
Finally, the voice of reason. This parcel could no doubt have been purchased for a song in 2009. Neighbors probably could have taken up a collection and paid cash.
They just assumed the property owner would continue to provide them with the enjoyment of the lack of development of the vacant lot for free. Bad assumption. Oh well.
If you want to stop the expansion of Walmart then:
A. Stop shopping there (if you haven’t already)
B. Convince as many people as possible to stop shopping there.
That’s the free market solution. The problem is that Walmart allows people to actually buy cheap food and clothing, and my God, people like that! It’ll be pretty hard to convince people to pay more for their items at other stores just because you don’t like Walmart.
Walmart = slavers
there is nothing more expensive than cheap food and clothing, made by ChiCom slaves.
WE do 98% of our grocery shopping at Kroger (which is unionized) - they beat WalMart on MOST prices. Further - WalMart doesn’t carry fresh meats - it is all water-injected, pre-processed garbage from a factory somewhere, and their seafood is often imported frozen from China.
It's called globalization. You can choose to dislike it, but you can't choose to ignore it.
Someday, the standard of living in China will rise to the point that cheap labor will find somewhere else to go.
This is Free Republic. Is this a trick question?
SERIOUSLY? Are you a freeper or a liberal in disguise?
Do you not believe in Capitalism?
Unless there is enough community opposition that the elected officials fear for their careers in retaliation for allowing the re-zoning you’re gonna be SOL.
Karl Marx was a globalist Free Trader too. No thanks.
That post was to Beowulf, to youngidiot.....
That post was to Beowulf, to youngidiot.....
You don't get to pick and choose how you want the economy to work, I'm sorry to say.
Walmart is planning a new store by us, a couple miles from one that is way too small. When they had the public comment time at zoning meeting, no one said a word, now suddenly, the anti Wal-Mart crowd is all up in arms and wants the project stopped. Sorry gang, it’s unconstitutional to change the law after the fact. You had your chance and blew it.
Good luck! They have been fought from coast to coast and rarely lose. At the end of the day you may hold them up for a couple of years but they will win out as will your attorneys whose fees you will pay.
That was one helluva funny South Park. And the moral of the story was spot on too.
For the record I am opposed to practically everything that unions represent in general, and public sector unions in particular.
I like that Walmart is non-union, but I have never liked Walmart enough to have ever shopped there.
I have never been a union member, rather I have always been a business owner since graduate school. Two businesses in fact, neither of which is a competitor to what Walmart peddles.
That having been said, your ignorant crack goes unappreciated. The complexity of the thread issue apparently exceeds your capacity to comprehend.
We need to put up strong tariffs against countries like China.
I never voted on moving our means of production overseas. This has national security implications. It needs to stop asap. There are flights daily to China I suggest anyone that likes the current state of affairs get on one and join their partners in the globalist world.
I believe in private property rights. If you own the land, don’t lease it to them.
Tell that to local farmers in communities all over the US that supply WalMart with fresh produce............
My main issues with Walmart.
1) Way to much stuff from China.Why not import more from other counties ?
2) They stopped selling Sam’s Club Water in their vending machines.
3)Some of the stores took away their outside benches.
If the other stores are that close, are you sure it’s not a Neighborhood Market going in?
Why don’t you post this over at Democratic Underground. I’m sure they will be glad to help you.
Personally I love WalMart.
I suppose you buy all your groderies at a mom and pop store for double the price instead of a chain supermarket?
The “Free Market” spiel is almost always brought up when someone wants to challenge a new Walmart.
I have helped dissuade several Walmarts from locating somewhere by citing a “Free and equal” market does not give away the huge pot of incentives Walmart always demands when the competing local merchants get nothing. When Walmart does not get unfair concessions, they locate somewhere else.
Think about it - why should the local merchants already in existence, basically give money(tax abatements, etc.) to build competition to put themselves out of business?
That’s not a “Free and equal” market.
This is my weakness. The state I live in has bought much land to set aside for parks and conservation of wildlife. While I truly enjoy this, I know it is wrong at some level to use government in this manner.
If someone bought a piece of land and put something obnoxious there, my recourse would be to convince a jury that I have been harmed in some manner or buy the land myself or with a group.
The answer is not to use the force of government to harass a property owner with undue regulation on how they use their property when they are causing no one any harm.
Hey, I was just curious as to whether WalMart already owned the property in question. Kindly direct your disparaging comments to the originator of the thread, hal.
They found an Indian graveyard at the proposed Wal-mart site here. That pretty much killed it. They had to move a mile down the road.
Me? All I said was “God Almighty” in disgust.
As for “One can go in any direction from this spot and within two miles shop at an existing Walmart if one wanted to do so”, this is physically impossible. Just how many WM’s would that be?
Now THERE'S a reliable source.
I’m all for Wal-Mart.
Why are you here with an anti-business agenda that the unions support? This is something liberals would say and try to do.
I hope they win and build there. Just to tick off you NIMBY whiners who probably love HOA’s and the little Hitlers that run them, too.
If mom and pop stores can’t compete, they deserve to go out of business.
Funny, I thought this site supported capitalism and free markets.
But I guess you buy into all this NIMBY crap the liberals do.
I am a professional engineer. No union for me.
How do you tell a communist? Well, it's someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-Communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin.Still in the ranks of the former, and not the latter, I see.
Answer this and we can continue: Would it make sense to totally off shore to China and else where all of our means of production? If not why? Surely the most efficient way to manufacture is to let third worlders do it. Nobody, I mean nobody, in the USA can compete with 2 bucks a day.
And to answer your question: no, it does not make sense to oppose the construction of a retail location in order to prevent off-shoring.
Income taxes are not unconstitutional.
16th Amendment. One of the last times an unconstitutional practice was made to be constitutional by amending the Constitution, the way it was supposed to be done.
This was before statists figured out they could just ignored the Constitution.
My intention was commenting on the whole thread. Apologies.
Has Dale Mabry Highway congestion really diminished such that traffic choke points can now be re-established?
Additionally, I wonder if this is a 24 hour Walmart and if so, whether residents in close proximity would welcome such an attraction to some of those who prowl the middle of the night in their neighborhood.
As for me, I would Hope not to see such a Change ever in my neighborhood.
So the thieves in Jacksonville know where to get desirable merchandise.
You can’t fault Walmart for the flash mob.
It never ceases to amaze me when FReepers oppose federalism, small government, subsidiarity, devolution of power, and local control - and then call themselves “conservatives”. (We used to say when I was a kid, “I’ll take this all the way to the Supreme Court if I have to!”)
You wanna try to keep Wal-Mart out? Go for it. Persuade your neighbors. It’s your community, after all, so it’s your decision.
As you’ve seen, opposing a business (no matter what the circumstances) really gets these faux conservatives worked up.
The only crime worse that that is supporting a home-owners’ association! :-)
Contact the local SEIU or UFCW office, they will put you in touch with people who will be glad to use you to help stop Wal-Mart.
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