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Apple Virus

Posted on 04/06/2012 7:03:59 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366

I know Macs are based on Unix so I'm very particular who has access to the root password. I'd also had an alpha version of CLAM.

The last access to my root was a version of Tux. (Remember Tux Racer in Linux?) but this was like Tux/Mario.
Shortly after playing the game my mouse went nuts,then my keyboard developed a mind of it's own.
I rebooted into "Bootcamp" and XP and it ran fine.

Long story longer,it was not a hardware problem but a software one. I pulled the network capability and it took almost an hour for the restoral CD to load.
I now have a nice shiny new install with all my data restored but WTF?
I love Linux but went to Macs because they're simple and my time is limited. Maybe I screwed up.

When I check out other Mac or Linux forums they say "No, but did you see the latest version of sally rotten crotch and her band of merry elves."

Some of the best IT minds in the business are here. Gotta clue?


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: imac

1 posted on 04/06/2012 7:04:01 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: TexasSecede79366

is Santa taking a dump down a chimney ? I almost died laughing when a friend showed me that ,he was running Win2000


2 posted on 04/06/2012 7:08:03 PM PDT by molson209
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To: TexasSecede79366

Clue as to which OS is best? They all have weaknesses and the foremost one is the user.


3 posted on 04/06/2012 7:08:45 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TexasSecede79366

Jeez, and here i am thinking that Macs.Just.Work.

At least that’s what the apple zealots tell me.

Buy a PC.
Unless you have the mentality of a 10 year old you should have no problem.

I.haven’t.since.1992


4 posted on 04/06/2012 7:22:28 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: driftdiver

But! But! It can’t be my fault! It’s that damn computer!


5 posted on 04/06/2012 7:23:12 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: TexasSecede79366

The thing nobody has talked about yet is that with viruses coming out for Macs it won’t be long before there are viruses for unix. A very high percentage of the servers on the web are running a unix flavor. None of them are running any anti-virus software.


6 posted on 04/06/2012 7:27:39 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mowowie

In these times,I wish I had the mentality of a 10 yr old. They can program an Iphone in a flash.


7 posted on 04/06/2012 7:29:13 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: driftdiver

Unix is different from Windows and it’s disturbing coming from Linux variants like Ubuntu and others that are going to an Apple style. Hopefully Linus will continue to be himself.


8 posted on 04/06/2012 7:34:01 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: TexasSecede79366

It’s a generational thing. Think of all the befuddled parents letting their kids program the VCR, or the grandparents who just could never grasp the concept of “merge” with those newfangled interstate on ramps, they always stopped.

There’s nothing new about it to a ten year old, the world just works that way to them, nothing to relearn.


9 posted on 04/06/2012 7:37:19 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: TexasSecede79366

To the best of my knowledge there is no trojan/virus that self installs on osx without an admin password and no hack that doesn’t require LAN access. The current one (flashback) is a piece of , what I call trickware, that makes the user think they are installing Adobe Flash. We get to clicking pretty fast sometimes and don’t ponder what we are actually installing due to the comfort level we have had over the years with the mac. Times have changed, need to pay attention. Keep system up to date. Clam AV is ok but it needs to be kept updated as well. I run on static IP’s so no NAT to protect some of my machines so good firewall SW is necessary. I use Virus Barrier among others which has a customizable rule driven firewall and excellent virus /trojan protection. I keep a log open on all activity on the firewall and you would be amazed at how ofter you get probed by china, mexico, Middle east countries, SEA countries, Russia and hords of domestic sources. Other than tightly managed ports (default closed) I actively block over 2,500 IP’s adding new ones daily.

Nothing is bullet proof. My advise.. keep current os sys SW, a good AV and firewall scheme and close attention to what your clicking as a practice will keep you running clean and worry free... common sense for either a mac or PC


10 posted on 04/06/2012 7:42:07 PM PDT by Breto (The Establishment party is killing our country)
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To: TexasSecede79366
I've been arguing with mac nuts for 10 years right here on FR.

My point several years ago was that a serious hacker would not spend time to infect 25 or 30 computers.

...now, the number of mac's have become respectable, the low level hackers have attacked them...and when the "big boys" take aim, they will take out all macs.....

...if an OS can be built, it can be hacked.....and the more of them in use, the bigger target they make....

11 posted on 04/06/2012 7:44:22 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: driftdiver
Not really. Unlike Windows,where the system is root,Unix has the root user. Think a two lane path versus a 20 lane super highway. Servers get clogged up with windows garbage but Hello Bill Gates.

Back in the last millennium I used to dabble in the black arts. I'm shocked that the "script kiddies" are still around. I'm stone drunk and leaving after this post

12 posted on 04/06/2012 7:49:51 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: Breto

Thank you,brother. That was what I was looking for.


13 posted on 04/06/2012 7:58:00 PM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: TexasSecede79366

Occasionally files that are in memory become corrupted and can act up or make things appear to go haywire.

Solution: reboot.

That corrects many issues.

If the situation appears more suspicious, run your virus check.


14 posted on 04/06/2012 8:11:03 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: TexasSecede79366

Sophos has a free virus checker for OS X. Works very well, is lightweight, and provides me with peace of mind.


15 posted on 04/06/2012 8:35:42 PM PDT by JABit
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To: TexasSecede79366
Texas,

All bets are off in OSX when you are playing around with ROOT access. OSX is NOT designed for someone who has activated ROOT. OSX is designed for users working two levels below superuser level of ROOT and the protections are set up for that.

What were you doing playing a game with ROOT activated?

I believe, to get back to a truly clean Mac OSX install, you are going to have to low level format your drive and do your install. Sorry, but once you have allowed something other than the install disk to have ROOT access, your machine is compromised. There is no telling what was installed outside of the system files that may be affecting the install. Reformat.

16 posted on 04/06/2012 9:40:14 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: TexasSecede79366; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; ...
Freeper was using his Mac in ROOT... and was wanting some security advice. He thinks he may have gotten something nasty. Any advice?—PING!


Apple OSX Mac in ROOT security Ping!

Please, No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!
Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

17 posted on 04/06/2012 9:43:06 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: TexasSecede79366

Texas,

My suggestion is that if you want to play around with LINUX on your Mac get VMWare and install one of the good LINUX installs, UBUNTU or another good one, in a virtual machine, and play to your heart’s content, without compromising the UNIX install of the system. If it gets compromised, kick it to the curb and reinstall a new version. Boom, you are back in business in minutes. You can do the same with multiple versions of Windows. All you need is sufficient hard drive space, which is cheap enough these days.


18 posted on 04/06/2012 9:51:41 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: mowowie

I thought Macs always had a virus. Most of the time I used one some beach ball would start spinning in the middle of the screen and the mac would lock up.

Someone told me it was the mac beach ball of death virus but then a mac lover told me they never get a virus.

So confused. I was thinking of spending way more for a mac than a PC but if it can get a virus then why would I want to pay more for a computer.


19 posted on 04/06/2012 9:54:27 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: Swordmaker; TexasSecede79366
Hi Texas,

I absolutely second Swordmaker's advice:

> > My suggestion is that if you want to play around with LINUX on your Mac get VMWare and install one of the good LINUX installs, UBUNTU or another good one, in a virtual machine, and play to your heart’s content, without compromising the UNIX install of the system. If it gets compromised, kick it to the curb and reinstall a new version. Boom, you are back in business in minutes. You can do the same with multiple versions of Windows. All you need is sufficient hard drive space, which is cheap enough these days.
I'm a Unix System Admin, been working with Unix since around 1984, and run pretty much all flavors of stuff on Mac hardware these days at home -- OS-X of course, but also Windows7, WinXP, NetBSD, Ubuntu, CentOS, Fedora (the latter two being RedHat variants), and some others... I do it at work to make a living and at home as a hobby. (Details here if you want 'em)

Leave your OS-X install unsullied, and mess with the VMs. For around $50-75 get a copy of VMware Fusion for your Mac and a big hard disk, and play to your heart's content!!

20 posted on 04/06/2012 10:05:18 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: Swordmaker
> ...you are going to have to low level format your drive...

I'm sure you know this, but these days (indeed since the mid-1990's) there is no such thing as a user-accessible "low-level format" any more. That's the term for re-writing the sectors on the media. It simply cannot be done by the user on any hard drive manufactured since about 1998 or so. The reason is that the "bad block list" management required for a true low-level format is no longer available to the user.

Obviously, there are manufacturer's utilities that will in fact do a low-level format. But they also have to re-do the bad block list from scratch. No operating system I'm aware of today will allow that.

I think what you meant was "full erase, repartition, and reformat", as opposed to simply doing a "reformat" of an existing partition. Yes?

21 posted on 04/06/2012 10:14:50 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

Yup

Apparently Macs.Just.Do.Not.Work like the zealots would lead you to believe.

Stick with the other 90% of the worlds population and go with the PC.


22 posted on 04/06/2012 10:24:01 PM PDT by mowowie
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To: gunsequalfreedom
> So confused.

That's because you have unfortunately been given some bad info.

The spinning beach ball is equivalent to Windows hourglass -- it's just a "busy" indicator.

There are some situations on OS-X where the beachball goes on forever -- it means the application has locked up. What you do is go to the "Force Quit" menu and kill the errant application. No virus is involved. Just a misbehaving program.

While there is a small amount of malware out for Macs, I am unaware of any "virus" as such. The Mac malware is all "Trojans" meaning that at some level it requires user intervention to either download it, or to authorize its installation, or both. A true virus can self-replicate to other machines, and to the best of my knowledge no such thing exists for the Mac at this time. It's not impossible for someone to develop such a thing, but it hasn't happened yet.

Many such malware programs exist for Windows. However, the latest release, Windows 7, is quite robust and its security is on a par with the level OS-X reached a few years ago. These days I consider them roughly equivalent.

> I was thinking of spending way more for a mac than a PC but if it can get a virus then why would I want to pay more for a computer.

I suggest you choose your computer and operating system based on what you want or need to DO with it, rather than perception of malware resistance. Both Mac OS-X and Windows 7 are excellent in that regard. Choose based on what you want to do, and which platform supports those activities best. IMHO.

23 posted on 04/06/2012 10:25:38 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: mowowie; gunsequalfreedom
> Apparently Macs.Just.Do.Not.Work like the zealots would lead you to believe.

Do you feel better for misdirecting another FReeper because of your hatred of Apple?

Are you that foolish that you think only Apple customers can be zealots?

Or have you never heard or read a Windows zealot? Windows doesn't work like they would lead you to believe, either.

Zealots of all stripes are pathetic losers.

You might try reading -my- response to gunsequalfreedom at #23 above. I think it's a more helpful answer than your hatred allows.

24 posted on 04/06/2012 10:32:12 PM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: mowowie

Some mac person got mad at you in this thread.

I’ve worked on both macs and pc’s and there is nothing the mac is better at than a pc other than taking more of your money to but it. Oh, and the irritating beach ball of death that requires a “force close” and a loss of all your work.

I guess the force close is not called a crash cause macs never crash they just force close.

Anyhow I better stop because the mac zealots are going to come after me. I guess I would be a mac zealot too if I spent a few hundred more on a computer than I needed to.


25 posted on 04/06/2012 10:42:09 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: dayglored

There’s a substantial number of MAC users on this forum and many of them have enjoyed mocking the PC users every time there’s a discussion of a PC getting a nasty virus and how that doesn’t happen to them and how the PC users are fools to continue using PC’s. I will grant you that overall OSX is more secure than the typical flavor of Windows, but there is some payback due.


26 posted on 04/07/2012 1:33:33 AM PDT by DB
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To: gunsequalfreedom
I’ve worked on both macs and pc’s and there is nothing the mac is better at than a pc other than taking more of your money to but it. Oh, and the irritating beach ball of death that requires a “force close” and a loss of all your work.
The “Blue screen of death” in Windows meant that your system was unable to respond to any command other than a reboot. Although that can happen in OS X, that is rare enough to write home about.
I guess the force close is not called a crash cause macs never crash they just force close.
Until and unless it becomes possible to write perfect software every time, there will be crashes. But some of us think that there is a difference between having to force close one application that is misbehaving and having to reboot the entire OS and all apps, losing unsaved work in all applications. Besides, I’m under the impression that OS X currently is designed to autosave. I wouldn’t really know, ‘cause I haven’t had enough crashes of anything I cared about to really have to find out. I just know that I can log out, come back later, log in, and seem to have everything right back where it was. I suppose I could deliberately unplug my computer without logging out first, just to see. But I don’t think I will.

27 posted on 04/07/2012 3:26:40 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Until and unless it becomes possible to write perfect software every time, there will be crashes. But some of us think that there is a difference between having to force close one application that is misbehaving and having to reboot the entire OS and all apps, losing unsaved work in all applications.

On the very rare occassion when my pc crashes, locks up, I do not end up "losing unsaved work in all applications." Amazingly, as soon as I reopen whatever program I was working on before the crash all my work is still there waiting for me." I think you are repeating a myth about today's PC's based on a total understanding of how stable they are now. You don't work on one so I can understand your not knowing.

On the mac on the other hand, when you have to hit force close, you lose all work in that application. I'll admit it has been about three years since I worked on a mac so perhaps mac has corrected that problem."

You as a mac user on simply basing your opinion about macs on your near cult like faith and belief in them.

Your impression that mac has an autosave program is correct. But it so slows down the mac in a production setting it renders it an unusable feature, at least in a production environment. Everyone I worked with chose to save often, finding it faster, rather than use the autosave feature that mad the mac run slower than a pig.

And with that we should end this mac pc debate. We could go back and forth until I'm blue screen in the face and you get dizzier than a spinning beach ball.

28 posted on 04/07/2012 3:53:06 AM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: TexasSecede79366

Yes Unix is different than Windows. If I can get a user to take an action such as opening an email, I can take control of their computer.


29 posted on 04/07/2012 4:55:57 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: TexasSecede79366

Every time someone starts a thread like this, I see adolescent flame wars coming. I have a Mac, my wife a PC w/7. We’re both happy. I dislike Windows, but realize that it is a viable and competent system (I run XP on a VMWare pseudo-box). Clearly, it is more virus prone. That is changing. Clearly Macs had superior hardware in the earlier years. That may be changing too. Why don’t we all put our soapboxes away and discuss something more important?

Ever notice how platform zealots behave like liberal democrats? That’s a thread WORTHY of discussion here. Anyone care to try?


30 posted on 04/07/2012 5:51:07 AM PDT by Corwin of Amber (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice no virtue.)
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To: Breto

“To the best of my knowledge there is no trojan/virus that self installs on osx without an admin password and no hack that doesn’t require LAN access.”

This Flashback virus exploits a Java vulnerability and is able to install if you haven’t installed yesterday’s Java patch (check software update) and visit a site crafted to distribute the malware. No password needed.

Yesterday’s patch does address the vulnerability, and if you do a little searching there are instructions to make sure your machine isn’t infected, and to clean it if it is. Supposedly this virus does nothing malicious, but it does set your system up for remote control - supposedly the control server has been taken down.

There is free AV software for the Mac, and Apple is constantly working to keep things secure. The situation is still far better than on Windows, and IMO both the OS and the bundled apps are superior.


31 posted on 04/07/2012 6:29:27 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: Swordmaker

“All bets are off in OSX when you are playing around with ROOT access.”

This virus doesn’t require root access. It exploits a Java vulnerability to install system-level software.

“I believe, to get back to a truly clean Mac OSX install, you are going to have to low level format your drive and do your install.”

There are relatively simple instructions available to remove this malware without reformatting. It doesn’t do anything evil on its own, only if remotely activated and I believe that capability has been squashed.

As I mentioned above, there’s a Java update out that fixes things. Check Software Update.


32 posted on 04/07/2012 6:33:21 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“I was thinking of spending way more for a mac than a PC but if it can get a virus then why would I want to pay more for a computer.”

Nice troll, I’ll bite.

Mac prices are quite competitive with Windows boxes, _for comparable quality machines_.

When you consider the added value of the OS and bundled applications, Macs are a great buy.


33 posted on 04/07/2012 6:35:52 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: gunsequalfreedom

“And with that we should end this mac pc debate. We could go back and forth until I’m blue screen in the face and you get dizzier than a spinning beach ball.”

The debate should end, simply because you’re spreading disinformation as fast as you can. MacOS has evolved a lot, even in just the last couple of years. The hardware has also sped up to the point where things that might have been slow a few years ago are now just fine.

Under MacOS X 10.7, all programs now include a “save a version” capability that makes it very easy to checkpoint your work as much as you want. That’s in addition to the autosave features that are prevalent in office apps. There’s also the Time Machine backup system - I hear Windows 8 will include something similar.

At least on a Mac you will never have to deal with the unnecessary single point of failure known as the “Registry”.


34 posted on 04/07/2012 6:41:53 AM PDT by PreciousLiberty (Pray for America!!!)
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To: RegulatorCountry

“the grandparents who just could never grasp the concept of “merge” with those newfangled interstate on ramps”

You have to be from South Carolina. That’s the only place I ever saw people stop entering the interstate.


35 posted on 04/07/2012 6:43:20 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: Corwin of Amber

Careful, you are being reasonable. (c;


36 posted on 04/07/2012 6:44:55 AM PDT by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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To: mowowie

“Stick with the other 90% of the worlds population and go with the PC.”

Computers have become a commodity. The brand or OS make little difference to most users. They do email, surf the web and occasionally type something.

The only reason to worry about brand is if you have a specific need for a specific program that only runs on a particular machine.

I still prefer to build my own because it’s fun. I usually install Linux and Windows and dual boot to whichever I want at the time.

I’m thinking of creating a Hackintosh, but haven’t gotten around to it yet. I have what I need, just haven’t had the bug to do it.


37 posted on 04/07/2012 6:50:51 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: DB
> There’s a substantial number of MAC users on this forum and many of them have enjoyed mocking the PC users every time there’s a discussion of a PC getting a nasty virus and how that doesn’t happen to them and how the PC users are fools to continue using PC’s. I will grant you that overall OSX is more secure than the typical flavor of Windows, but there is some payback due.

Sad to say, there are zealots of all types, on FR as elsewhere -- Windows, OS-X, Linux, Unix, whatever. Their presence is an annoyance to those of us who work with all operating systems, at work and and at home, every day. I don't play "Mine's better than yours" games.

I -do- call out zealots who push their agendas with false representations. I've defended Windows, OS-X, Linux, and Unix, against untrue attacks, at various times.

I suppose that there's emotionally satisfying schadenfreude available to Windows users when reports come out of an OS-X problem. But IMO there's no more need for that to be expressed as a broad-bush slur against Apple customers, than the equally obnoxious broad-brush wielded against Microsoft customers by Apple zealots when there's a Windows problem. It would be better to express one's glee at the individuals who expressed theirs previously.

But I grant that it's more difficult to be a sniper and pick off only the obnoxious a-holes, and it's easier to just drop a massive stink-bomb in the midst of the entire community. :)

38 posted on 04/07/2012 8:28:16 AM PDT by dayglored (Listen, strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government!)
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To: dayglored
I've been a "Slacker" since about 8.1 and still have 13 on a box somewhere. Now that my faith in Macs took a hit,I might go dig it out.
Oh,the irony. I'm one of those guys that does not put a lot of trust in packaged binaries.
39 posted on 04/07/2012 10:09:35 AM PDT by TexasSecede79366
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To: B.O. Plenty
I've been arguing with mac nuts for 10 years

Do you get paid for that? I guess you could be an evangelist with a mission to save computer souls from the evils of Mac. But ten years is a lot of time to devote to mindlessly arguing with an unrepentant group of Job's devotes, who really don't respond to your gospel.

Pearls before swine, you know.

40 posted on 04/07/2012 4:27:43 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are most of my comments.)
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To: mowowie
Stick with the other 90% of the worlds population and go with the PC.

You want the guy to buy a cash register?

90% of the world would be over 6 billion people..So you are saying there are over a Billion Mac users. Who Knew?

41 posted on 04/07/2012 4:36:13 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are most of my comments.)
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To: gunsequalfreedom
Anyhow I better stop because the mac zealots are going to come after me.

Why would they come after you, is there a bounty? You are slightly more entertaining than pulling wings of flies, and about as useful.

42 posted on 04/07/2012 4:40:17 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are most of my comments.)
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To: PreciousLiberty

How can someone be a troll in a conversation about Macs and PC?

Anyhow, im going to let all of you have the last word. Ive got to go buy stock in a virus protection company. I hear they are about to see a big increase in anti virus software purchases by millions of Mac users.


43 posted on 04/07/2012 7:12:40 PM PDT by gunsequalfreedom (Conservative is not a label of convenience. It is a guide to your actions.)
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To: B.O. Plenty
My point several years ago was that a serious hacker would not spend time to infect 25 or 30 computers.

You mean 25 or 30 million computers, and that was several years ago when there was still no successful mac malware. This really is the first, happening afer 50 million.

now, the number of mac's have become respectable, the low level hackers have attacked them...and when the "big boys" take aim, they will take out all macs

The "big boys" were targeting Macs back in the 90s, and were mildly successful. Of course, back then it was a completely different OS that didn't even have protected memory.

44 posted on 04/09/2012 3:44:22 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Poser
Computers have become a commodity.

No, PCs have become a commodity, and that's why the margins are razor thin. Apple has taken a different route.

45 posted on 04/09/2012 3:47:29 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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