[GOP Poet]

thanks for the post Swordmaker.

[Swordmaker]

This Article refers to a new book that claims the Shroud of Turin is the REAL DEAL... and more importantly, IS THE BASIS for the claim that Jesus of Nazareth rose from the dead... because The IMAGE ON THE SHROUD is what the apostles saw and mistook for the risen Jesus!—SHROUD OF TURIN PING!

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[Captain Beyond]

bflr

[MrDaddyLongLegs]

“the most elaborate hoax in history” sorry for off topic, but Obama is the most elaborate hoax, but it wont be fact for many years, when all are dead and buried.

[csense]

I can’t believe I read that whole article. I was expecting at least something interesting, but that was just dumb. It’s almost like the whole world is going nuts...

[BigCinBigD]

So the shroud Jesus was wrapped in was found in the tomb?

[Erik Latranyi]

The theory would be a plausible explanation for why some people 2000 years ago believed in spirits.

But as an explanation of the Shroud, it seems more dismissive.

[Arthur McGowan]

Yeah. Brown smudges on a piece of cloth look JUST like a man walking through doors and talking and cooking fish on the beach and showing the wounds in his body.

What a crackpot.

[stuartcr]

How does anyone know that is what Jesus really looked like?

[1010RD]

So the disciples were so stupid that they ate with the Shroud?

[annalex]

“Back then images had a psychological presence, they were seen as part of a separate plane of existence, as having a life of their own.”

I have this picture in my mind of the apostles, gathered in an upper room in Jerusalem, being inspired to go out on missionary journeys that resulted in a Church that now numbers a third of the planet in its ranks. And they are looking not at the astonishing sight of Jesus himself, back from the dead, but at a cloth.

Both Greece and Rome has an elaborate visual arts culture that sets examples for serious artists today. Granted, not so much the Jewish culture, but the Greeks were all over the place, met with Jesus and joined the disciples. St. Luke was Greek and he described the supper at Emmaus. Were the Emmaus disciples sitting at supper with an optical illusion?

Besides, people buried other people, some of them bloodied, in burial cloths whether they had taken art appreciation classes or not. Then one particular burial cloth gave them a conversion experience?

This "academic" is sure good at selling books.

[jiggyboy]

this was proven to be a fake 20 years ago, and then again ten years ago

[Bellflower]

Dumb de dumb dumb, dumb dumb!

[aruanan]

It was, suggests de Wesselow, seeing the Shroud in the days immediately after the crucifixion, rather than any encounter with a flesh and blood, risen Christ, that convinced the apostles that Jesus had come back from the dead.

And then they said, "Hey, what if we were hiding out and worried about the authorities and Jesus suddenly came and stood amongst us and said, 'Hey, it's really me. A ghost doesn't have flesh and blood. Got anything to eat?' You know, ghost, sheet? Let's just write it all up 'as if' because, you know, since we found this thing, it could happen, right?"

Hey, I've got an idea. It was seeing the risen Jesus in the days after the crucifixion that convinced the apostles (and hundreds more) that Jesus had come back from the dead and the shroud was both an attendant circumstance and reminder of the event.