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Roman helmet turns history on its head
Telegraph (UK) ^ | Wednesday, January 11, 2012 | Anita Singh

Posted on 01/11/2012 8:44:20 PM PST by SunkenCiv

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To: SunkenCiv

Western civilization is the last vestige of the Roman empire. Two millenia later, and here we are, still using the latin alphabet. Amazing, isn’t it. The Roman empire never went away, it just kind of spread out a bit.


21 posted on 01/11/2012 9:45:59 PM PST by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: Kiss Me Hardy

They were apparently referring to what English kids are now taught in schools. Gee. Can you imagine if all that you knew was what you learned in school ? That seems like ages ago to some of us.


22 posted on 01/11/2012 9:51:33 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: abigkahuna

That was exactly my question!


23 posted on 01/11/2012 9:53:44 PM PST by TEXOKIE (... and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all FREEPERS EVERYWHERE!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The article was written by Anita Singh. That could explain a lot...

“Anita Singh is the Daily Telegraph’s Showbusiness Editor, covering film, television, music and celebrity misbehaviour.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journalists/anita-singh/


24 posted on 01/11/2012 10:05:47 PM PST by JoeDetweiler
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To: SunkenCiv
Rather than repel the invaders, some Britons fought in the Roman ranks.

But this is nothing new. You can find it in (IIRC) "The History of the English Speaking People" which was written in the 1930's.

As with every other invasion some of the weaker groups joined with the invaders to overthrow the established order. For some reason the idea of living under Pax Romana where you sent Rome a bit of money every year was more appealing then seeing your villages and farms raided and your people carried off as slaves by your more powerful neighbors. I can't imagine why, but there you go.

25 posted on 01/11/2012 10:10:46 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (*Philosophy lesson 117-22b: Anyone who demands to be respected is undeserving of it.*)
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To: factoryrat

Quite so, it has spread out over most of the Earth.


26 posted on 01/11/2012 10:12:09 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Merry Christmas, Happy New Year! May 2013 be even Happier!)
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To: SunkenCiv

The way the Romans expanded in Gaul, Germania and down the Danube was by fighting only when potential enemies couldn’t be brought onto their side.

Not surprising to me that this would occur in Britain, as well.


27 posted on 01/11/2012 10:13:00 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: dog breath
In this country fancy things like decorative tomahawks, medals, pipes, hats, clothes and assorted doodads and were given to various Indian leaders to try and get them to cooperate.

And blankets.

28 posted on 01/11/2012 10:21:02 PM PST by Dysart (#Changeitback)
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To: SunkenCiv; reaganaut

Quick poll: Which spelling do you prefer?

1) Boudicca

2) Boadicea


29 posted on 01/11/2012 10:27:26 PM PST by mrreaganaut (Stupidity killed the cat. Curiosity was framed.)
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To: mrreaganaut

2) Boadicea


30 posted on 01/12/2012 2:32:58 AM PST by ApplegateRanch (I prefer Crony Capitalism to Crony Judicialism...unless it's MY crony on the bench)
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To: SunkenCiv

It entirely likely that some Brits fought for the Romans, while others fought against. Celts are a fractious lot. If one tribe saw a way to clobber some much-despised neighbors with Roman help, there is a good chance they’d it!
Roman were good at driving such wedges between their enemies...


31 posted on 01/12/2012 4:29:32 AM PST by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Kiss Me Hardy

Welcome back to FR!! You haven’t posted here since 2009. I thought you may have quit totally.

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:kissmehardy/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change


32 posted on 01/12/2012 6:31:01 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: justa-hairyape

it should be. But too many folks get their history from Hollywood.


33 posted on 01/12/2012 6:36:38 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Pan_Yan

ping


34 posted on 01/12/2012 6:39:24 AM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Real solidarity means coming together for the common good."-Sarah Palin)
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To: factoryrat

it spread farther than that — for example, many of the Arab countries have currencies dinar derived from the name denarii.


35 posted on 01/12/2012 6:42:47 AM PST by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: SunkenCiv

“An alternative theory that the helmet was seized as booty can be discounted because it was a symbolic item not designed to be worn in battle.”

Interesting article and we do know that natives often were recruited into the Roman military during invasions. Frequently the Romans used intertribal disputes as levers to work their way into a territory.

But I simply can’t buy that argument. An article of great worth, acquired in battle as a trophy could most certainly be buried with the acquirer.


36 posted on 01/12/2012 8:10:17 AM PST by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Cavalry was the main arm for which Romans used foreign troops.


37 posted on 01/12/2012 8:18:51 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: JoeDetweiler
Correct.

....some Britons fought in the Roman ranks.

It's always that way. Some locals side always with the invaders. I would refer to them as Quislings but it is too loaded a word.

38 posted on 01/12/2012 8:21:59 AM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: SunkenCiv

Thurought history Empires have used a divide and conquer strategy to subdue unruly tribal areas. The British were the most sucessful example of an Empire using these tactics in the 17th to 19th centruies. They subdued and ruled India using these tactics

“Use a tribial enemy when fighting a tribe” was a comon Roman tactic.

I doubt the British celtic tribes were some how exempt from this tribal weakness


39 posted on 01/12/2012 9:00:00 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: BenLurkin

No it is wrong to call them traitors. A National identy did not exist for these people. Their loyalty was to family-clan and tribe. The rival tribes were enemies. Allying with the Romans to vanquish a rival tribe was simply and example of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” to them.


40 posted on 01/12/2012 9:03:29 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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